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Posted on September 15, 2020 at 19:29:42
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ALSO SPRACH JOHNNY:

I am loving this Op. 111's Arietta: Adagio!!!

It somehow reminds me of Ivan Moravec: no created or imposed fuss, none of this modern BS about "Making the piece your own."

It will never be anyone's piece but Beethoven's; IMHO.

Play the notes that are there on the page, and leave the rest on Dr. Freud's couch...

Also Sprach Johnny.

All my best,

john

 

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Yes - I want to listen to those Shcherbakov Beethoven Sonatas too - I haven't heard any of them , posted on September 15, 2020 at 21:43:28
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 Shcherbakov has shown himself to be a truly great artist (IMHO) on some (many?) of his recordings, and, even aside from his artistry, he's an unbelievable technician! That Godowsky series he's doing (at least what I've heard of it) is magnificent, although perhaps his achievement may not be appreciated as much by non-pianists, since the Godowsky repertoire seems to appeal mainly to hard-core pianophiles!

 

RE: Yes - I want to listen to those Shcherbakov Beethoven Sonatas too - I haven't heard any of them , posted on September 16, 2020 at 04:13:38
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 Shcherbakov's set of Shostakovich Preludes and Fugues (Naxos) is really well done.

 

So I wonder, how do you appreciate Solomon's interpretations? nt, posted on September 16, 2020 at 06:00:20
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OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 16, 2020 at 11:32:28
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 Boringboim comes through again! We're hanging on his every keystroke!

 

Looking forward to it. :^) nt, posted on September 16, 2020 at 11:49:16
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 Nt.

 

According to Google translate it's the fifth time! Someone give Chris smelling salts. , posted on September 16, 2020 at 15:06:32
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 From the description:

A new recording of Barenboim produced during the period of self-restraint of Corona. Beethoven: Complete Piano Sonatas & Diabelli Variations (13 Discs)

Pianist and conductor Daniel Barenboim made a new recording of Beethoven during this period of self-restraint. I think no other musician has focused on Beethoven's music for such a long time.
In this fifth recording of all 32 sonatas, Barenboim reconstructed all his past experiences and renewed his passion for the scores of these sonatas.
Barenboim, who was originally curious and tenacious, challenged all interpretations, "starting from scratch, with a fresh feeling," in his own words. That uninterrupted passion for Beethoven is reflected in this new recording of his last masterpiece for piano, the Diabelli Variations.

 

RE: OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 16, 2020 at 16:18:11
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Just recorded?

Coming soon to a QOBUZ near you?




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: According to Google translate it's the fifth time! Someone give Chris smelling salts. , posted on September 16, 2020 at 16:20:37
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 "Daniel Barenboim made a new recording of Beethoven during this period of self-restraint."

Love Google Translate.

Hoping Chris can exhibit equal measure self-restraint.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Must. . . claw back. . . to consciousness. . . , posted on September 16, 2020 at 17:02:32
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 I believe one of those Boringboim sets was his video set - I was counting the audio only sets.

 

I'm expecting it to sound amateurish and forgettable. . . , posted on September 16, 2020 at 17:04:34
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 . . . kind of like Lang Lang's Goldberg Variations. ;-)

 

Nice save, although I think the video set has been rereleased on CD. nt, posted on September 16, 2020 at 18:32:52
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Nooooooo! It's coming up through the floor boards! [nt], posted on September 16, 2020 at 23:04:06
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RE: OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 16, 2020 at 23:27:46
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 I think of Daniel Barenboim, I then think of Franz Welser Most...... And something just dawned on me.......

I don't know if it's fear of bad reviews, but I have a feeling that Franz Welser Most does not like putting out commercial recordings...... He has not done one Beethoven symphony set..... At least that I know of...... His discography is infinitesimal, compared to most well-known conductors........

I think of Welser Most and Barenboim as similarly dull conductors (albeit for different reasons), but at least Barenboim isn't afraid to crank out the recordings.

 

Thanks for the suggestion!, posted on September 17, 2020 at 08:00:55
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 I had to use Tidal to find Solomon's Op. 111, but I enjoyed it very much for the same reasons I think Scherbakov's is a great performance.

My major interests are bowed strings and human voice; my collection of piano works is pretty narrow.

ciao,

john

 

RE: OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 17, 2020 at 11:31:22
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 When was the last time you heard FWM conduct in Cleveland live?

Have you heard any of the SACD set that came out a couple of months ago? The performances are fantastic. I haven't heard the Schubert 9th SACD that was just released.

It's fine with me that he hasn't put out yet a set of Beethoven symphonies, although he's certainly conducted all of them in CLE several times over. Don't assume that the absence of such a set is his decision. He's not an HvK who can dictate what will be recorded. The industry doesn't support that kind of behavior anymore.

I'm sure you can't read FWM's mind when you guess (yes, guess) that he doesn't like making recordings and is afraid that he will be criticized.

What's the deal about taking the opportunity to criticize FWM/Cleveland Orchestra when the topic (Barenboim's piano sonatas) is completely unrelated. It smacks of trollism, and I just don't see the point.

 

RE: OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 18, 2020 at 00:34:07
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 "When was the last time you heard FWM conduct in Cleveland live?"

On broadcast of recent concerts (prior to COVID), just several weeks ago in a live WCLV feed....... (Performed Shostakovich Five, which was decent.) I also grab some "Sunday with the Cleveland Orchestra" feeds from the WCLV site as well.

In the flesh, I saw them in Costa Mesa, CA about eight years ago..... (Played a Mendelssohn/Shostakovich program, it was "OK".)

"Have you heard any of the SACD set that came out a couple of months ago? The performances are fantastic."

There was a recently-released DVD with Julia Fischer playing Brahms Violin Concerto, uploaded to YouTube (link)..... It too was OK...... (I did not like the Auto-Tune applied to the violinist.)

I pre-ordered the Schubert Ninth CD on Amazon...... It also has a Ernst Krenek work on it...... Not familiar with that composer.

"I haven't heard the Schubert 9th SACD that was just released."

Both Szell and Dohnanyi did superlative Schubert Nines with Cleveland.... So the bar is set very high........

"It's fine with me that he hasn't put out yet a set of Beethoven symphonies, although he's certainly conducted all of them in CLE several times over. Don't assume that the absence of such a set is his decision. He's not an HvK who can dictate what will be recorded. The industry doesn't support that kind of behavior anymore."

My hunch is that FWM just doesn't have the consumer demand of some other conductors..... (I guess Barenboim has a much larger following. Even though I don't find him enthralling either.... ) Aside from his Schumann Three with the London Philharmonic, there isn't a commercially-released performance from him that has done much for me.

"I'm sure you can't read FWM's mind when you guess (yes, guess) that he doesn't like making recordings and is afraid that he will be criticized."

I don't know..... The people I know in Cleveland who attended concerts (prior to COVID) kept telling me they can't wait for the Orchestra to get a different music director..... (One of them even calls him the "Hue Jackson of conductors".)

"What's the deal about taking the opportunity to criticize FWM/Cleveland Orchestra when the topic (Barenboim's piano sonatas) is completely unrelated. It smacks of trollism, and I just don't see the point."

I guess it's that he doesn't put out recordings often, and ones he has put out have been underwhelming..... Oh well.....

 

RE: Schubert 9th..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 05:41:07
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Just went up on QOBUZ at 24/96.

It's idling in the cue.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

I'll give Sherbakov a listen. How about JM's favorite 10 choral works' post? nt, posted on September 18, 2020 at 07:35:23
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Off the top of my head..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 07:43:16
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 Allegri: Miserere

A selection of Gregorian chant

Whitacre: When David Heard

Lauridsen: Lux Aeterna

Brahms: Requiem

Sigurd Islandsmoen: Requiem

Karl Nystedt: "Immortal Bach"

RVW: An Oxford Elegy

Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius

Janacek: Glagolitic Mass

How about them apples?

jm

 

RE: Off the top of my head..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 07:48:23
rivervalley817
 I've not heard that last one

who conducts Them Apples?

 

Does that mean that you know An Oxford Elegy?, posted on September 18, 2020 at 13:11:43
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 "How do you like them apples?" is a vernacular American English expression.

 

RE: Does that mean that you know An Oxford Elegy?, posted on September 18, 2020 at 13:19:45
rivervalley817
 of course it is ... and what I wrote is called 'a joke' playing on words and context ... not the greatest of humor, but my intention were good

for instance: 'Does that mean that you know An Oxford Elegy?'

'no, but I might have dated her sister'

harrumph

 

RE: Yes - I want to listen to those Shcherbakov Beethoven Sonatas too - I haven't heard any of them , posted on September 18, 2020 at 14:03:05
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 +1 for Shcherbakov's Shostakovich!

 

Thanks! Now, how about from the inside, deep down? , posted on September 18, 2020 at 14:58:39
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 Seriously, some of these I've never heard of. This will be fun!

 

RE: Off the top of my head..., posted on September 20, 2020 at 07:23:34
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 No Mozart Requiem?

 

RE: Yes - I want to listen to those Shcherbakov Beethoven Sonatas too - I haven't heard any of them , posted on September 20, 2020 at 09:35:30
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 I've listened to some of them. In general they are glib, fast, and superficial. There is a lot of banging during 23. Not performances I'l;l keep.

 

Yeah... it's a personal list... ., posted on September 20, 2020 at 13:55:20
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 I respect Mozart's sacred music, but, unlike Eric Whitacre's judgment on it, I don't love it. He says it changed his life: before, everything was black and white; after, everything was in shockingly vivid Technicolor.

Perhaps I should try some different interpretations.

Don't get my wrong, I love to hear Dame Kiri sing it, but, I'd love to hear her sing the ketchup label.

amb,

john

 

RE: OMG! And now look who's getting into the act (for the FOURTH TIME!), posted on September 21, 2020 at 14:58:06
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 I wonder if he recorded them using his specially made piano. I disliked the sound of that piano on the one Barenboim record that was designated as the result of "my piano."

 

i didn't like that piano either, posted on September 22, 2020 at 20:36:02
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is it made by Bechstein? I also listened and was wondering what the big deal was, I wasn't impressed at all for all the hype.

And I've never been a great fan of Barenboim---felt like pianists think "OK, but I guess he's better as a conductor", and conductors think "OK but I guess he's better as a pianist".

Except for landing Jackie and those were some A+ smoking performances.


I have heard a demo of the same passage played on Steinway and Fazioli, and I like them each for perhaps different genres or needs.

Fazioli is a bit more cantabile, singing, with a particular bell like melodic treble clef register---great for Debussy, Ravel, Chopin.

Steinways are more consistent over the range, and, for better or worse, a more complex/nonlinear overtone series to sound crunchier and stronger. It doesn't sound like pure integer multiples of the fundamental frequency, but a more complex interaction.

I'd take Steinway for Prokofiev, or Bartok for example. Beethoven, might even change for the various movements & pieces :)

 

For What It's Worth (Copyright)....., posted on July 31, 2021 at 09:17:21
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 This was one of only few take-downs of a video on YouTube due to a copyright claim that I think was appropriate......

This is because the Julia Fischer/Franz Welser Most/Cleveland Orchestra video of the Brahms Violin Concerto is commercially marketed on Blu-Ray DVD... And can be purchased at a market price via outlets such as Amazon..... The Cleveland Orchestra was protecting a purchasable product, in which "free use" could potentially hurt sales. (I've seen videos of the Berlin Philharmanic taken down for copyright, because it's purchasable via the Digital Concert Hall..... This is also an appropriate application of a copyright claim.)

Too often, I see YouTube videos brought down on "copyright" claims in which the video would otherwise not be accessible at all (free or at a price), it just becomes a lost opportunity for the listener to experience a great performance of a given work. These are the cases in which I find copyright claims inappropriate. (The NHK Symphony is one of the worst offenders here. It's a great orchestra, but its "copyright police" has stunted world audience familiarity, and I believe such policy is hurting that institution's bottom line, not helping it.)

Not to mention, making videos only viewable in certain countries..... I personally think this sort of copyright application is discriminatory, if the performance in question is also unavailable for purchase in the blocked countries. (It would be different if the videos were porn or something.)

 

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