• https://www.npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2019/09/20/762

 Stereotypes Die Hard...... [yt] - Todd Krieger 02:42:08 09/19/20 (0)
 "African-American membership in American orchestras"? - Chris from Lafayette 14:31:09 09/15/20 (1)
 RE: "African-American membership in American orchestras"? - rivervalley817 14:35:48 09/15/20 (0)

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 Stereotypes Die Hard...... [yt] - Todd Krieger 02:42:08 09/19/20 (0)
 "African-American membership in American orchestras"? - Chris from Lafayette 14:31:09 09/15/20 (1)
 RE: "African-American membership in American orchestras"? - rivervalley817 14:35:48 09/15/20 (0)
 the article is complete bullsh** - Analog Scott 20:01:17 09/14/20 (0)
 Why do you keep forgetting rap? - Chris from Lafayette 14:40:06 09/14/20 (19)
 Chris, fascinating list! - jimbill 16:15:02 09/14/20 (5)
 Sure thing, jimbill! - Chris from Lafayette 16:48:49 09/14/20 (4)
 An intro to hip hop! - andy evans 02:30:29 09/15/20 (1)
 Wow - impressive! - Chris from Lafayette 10:06:59 09/15/20 (0)
 What about Country? "Don't Touch My Truck" was the first Country Song I Ever Downloaded. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 18:44:10 09/14/20 (1)
 Naw - I respect my betters when it comes to Country [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 20:50:03 09/14/20 (0)
 Why do I feel if we were discussing black acting 30 years ago you'd be mentioning - tinear 16:03:39 09/14/20 (1)
 Dunno, tin - maybe a deficiency in your analytic thinking? ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 16:09:43 09/14/20 (0)
 What's the point you're making here, Chris? - andy evans 14:49:43 09/14/20 (10)
 I think you may have missed a post below where tin. . . - Chris from Lafayette 14:54:08 09/14/20 (9)
 I'm sorry, but implying or making it very easy - tinear 15:57:27 09/14/20 (8)
 Oh Jeez - one of these posts. OK, here goes. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:34:20 09/14/20 (7)
 Thanks for the time, really. - tinear 18:35:23 09/14/20 (6)
 Sorry, tin - you don't even remember your "facts" right - Chris from Lafayette 20:46:45 09/14/20 (5)
 Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. And then the gratuitous Kanye post. Hmmm... nt - tinear 16:12:08 09/16/20 (2)
 That's the spirit! - Chris from Lafayette 17:11:26 09/16/20 (1)
 RE: That's the spirit! - rivervalley817 17:39:00 09/16/20 (0)
 Probably the same stuff happens in Indian music... - andy evans 01:58:12 09/15/20 (1)
 Possibly - I'm completely unknowledgeable about Indian music myself [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 09:59:41 09/15/20 (0)
 African Americans have more relevant things to do.....? - andy evans 11:23:01 09/14/20 (16)
 "There's no reason whatever that anybody of any colour or religion should not play or love classical music" - Analog Scott 20:05:56 09/14/20 (6)
 RE: "There's no reason whatever that anybody of any colour or religion should not play or love classical music" - rivervalley817 20:33:17 09/14/20 (5)
 "the statement seems to contradict itself" - Analog Scott 21:13:13 09/14/20 (4)
 RE: "the statement seems to contradict itself" - rivervalley817 09:29:09 09/15/20 (0)
 Access to money..... - andy evans 01:20:27 09/15/20 (2)
 "they bought amplifiers and played Strats" - yes! Certainly true of my kids! - Chris from Lafayette 10:49:51 09/15/20 (1)
 RE: "they bought amplifiers and played Strats" - yes! Certainly true of my kids! - rivervalley817 11:24:24 09/15/20 (0)
 That's sad if true. I'm still waiting for the perfect Rite of Spring. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 18:56:50 09/14/20 (0)
 "Relevant?" Say, Marian Anderson, Jessye Norman, - tinear 14:06:12 09/14/20 (3)
 I love Jessye Norman, but that's not quite the point - andy evans 14:32:10 09/14/20 (2)
 That exactly is the point. It doesn't matter - tinear 16:03:06 09/14/20 (1)
 Jazz is "serious art" and so are other forms of music - andy evans 01:00:14 09/15/20 (0)
 RE: African Americans have more relevant things to do.....? - rivervalley817 11:56:48 09/14/20 (2)
 RE: African Americans have more relevant things to do.....? - Mel 13:59:14 09/14/20 (1)
 RE: African Americans have more relevant things to do.....? - rivervalley817 14:08:56 09/14/20 (0)
 THANK YOU! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:27:34 09/14/20 (0)

• https://www.king.org/ten-great-black-composers-to-know/

This is a question which in itself isn't related to culture or race, it's more a question of what kind of music will give you the fulfilment you seek. Now it may be that this fulfilment could come within classical music. But that's a minority choice for musicians, as we well know. Musicians are much more likely to be active in other arenas - rock, jazz, soul, film music etc. That's simply statistically correct.

To back up what I mean, I'm pretty sure that if Mozart were alive today there's a strong chance he would have been a rock musician. Bach could very well have been a jazz improviser. And so on.

What I'm saying is that whereas it may well be the case that classical music may be making it difficult for African Americans to opt into it, it's also the case that the majority of musicians are opting out of it for a multitude of positive reasons.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm just making a different point, which is equally a part of the big picture.

• Boom bap
  
• Backpack
  
• Cloud rap
  
• "Conscious" hip-hop
  
• Crunk rap
  
• Emo rap (yes, I kid you not!)
  
• Frat rap
  
• Gangsta rap
  
• Grime rap
  
• Horrorcore
  
• Hyphy
  
• Jazz rap
  
• Latin trap
  
• Old school rap
  
• Rap rock

Should Japanese stick to their native music?
No. Are you promoting that idea or something?

Your post might be less inflammatory if posted in a vacuum, but injustice isn't some academic exercise.
I can practically feel your SJW juices flowing!

Please answer this: do you think black folks somehow are innately unable to appreciate, perform, compose classical music?
No. Where did you get that idea?

Is it [classical music] a Chinese, Japanese thing, but not one for those of African heritage?
Nope.

Perhaps you feel the culture excludes it?
And perhaps I don't. Again, where did you get that idea?

One mostly comes to love classical music from a family, a teacher, or a friend. What if a young person has none of those, through no fault of her own--- but otherwise, once given the opportunity, loves the music?
I would say, well done - yes, such people have overcome some formidable barriers, and, in a certain sense, have even shown great heroism - and I've never argued otherwise.

This isn't really about classical music, ballet, painting, or any other "high art." It's about access and opportunity to education and resources.
While I do not disagree at all with your point about the lack of access and opportunity to various societal advantages within the African American community, I still think it's possible (pretty certain in fact!) that, culturally, there are certain artistic preferences among various ethnic and racial groups - worldwide. Do you want to argue otherwise?

You seem unaware of the past history of prejudice against women and Asians practiced by many (all) orchestras...
I can see you're running out of steam here, but I'll put up my awareness of past history and prejudice towards whomever (including women and Asians) up against yours any day of the week. What else you got?

• Boom bap: Gang Starr - "Just To Get A Rep"
  
• Backpack: Mos Def - "Mathematics"
  
• Cloud rap: Main Attraktionz - "Chuch"
  
• "Conscious" hip-hop: Blackstar - "Definition"
  
• Crunk rap: Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz - "Get Low"
  
• Emo rap: Lil Peep - "Awful Things ft. Lil Tracy"
  
• Frat rap: Huey Mack - "Call Me Maybe" (Remix please!)
  
• Gangsta rap: Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg - "Deep Cover"
  
• Grime rap: Dizzee Rascal - "I Luv U"
  
• Horrorcore: Gravediggaz - "Burn Baby Burn"
  
• Hyphy: Mac Dre - "Feeling Myself"
  
• Jazz rap: A Tribe Called Quest - "Excursions"
  
• Latin trap: Bad Bunny - "Caro"
  
• Old school rap: Kurtis Blow - "The Breaks"
  
• Rap rock: Beastie Boys - "No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn"
  

• https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/music/classical/messages/2

Yes, of course money influences the forms of music that exist in any culture. A classical orchestra is money, an opera house is money.

At the most basic level musicians used the instruments they could afford. Including nothing, with a cappella folk music. Go back a while and African Americans mostly played guitar since they didn't have pianos in their parlour, because they didn't have parlours in the first place. But poverty was never a purely A-A phenomenon, though it was a noxiously bad example of it.

Fast forward to society in Europe and the states just after WW2. On a huge scale the guitar replaced the piano in people's homes. So did the kids play Bach on their classical guitars? Hell no - they bought amplifiers and played Strats or took guitars to the beach and played blues, folk songs and Beatles tunes. The rise of the guitar was a big factor in the music kids played and transformed the music scene. The guitar was "relevant" to people's lives - it was everywhere.

Now we're in 2020 and the most "relevant" instrument in people's homes isn't a guitar, it's a computer. So we get techno music, rap, and everything else you can programme into a computer, either with a keyboard or with loops and samples.

You can't assess the classical music scene without looking at the obvious factors about what's "relevant" in young people's lives. Young people are just as clever and in love with music as their elders who grew up with classical music. They just live in a different world.

I grew up with a Bechstein grand in the living room because my father was a doctor. If my father was a miner it would have been a guitar. My son grew up with a computer. Or to be more relevant still, a mobile phone which has replaced computers in terms of time spent using it. Times change. The world changes.

"So as I said in our call, there are quite a few sub genres in Hip Hop and different sounds that come along with that. I also think it's a good idea to share with you the whosampled links for each track, as this will also give you an idea of what music served as their inspiration.

I guess we should start with the origin of the hip hop sound, which came from New York. The two most successful artists from this time were Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa. They had differing styles - one being straight from the streets and the other being... well basically from outer space.

Afrika Bambaataa - Planet Rock
https://www.whosampled.com/Afrika-Bambaataa/Planet-Rock/

Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
https://www.whosampled.com/Grandmaster-Flash/The-Message/

Pete Rock is a universally respected producer of hip hop that came onto the scene pretty early on and has made beats for a huge variety of artists, mostly from New York and the East Coast. Here are a few examples of his sound.

Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Escape
https://www.whosampled.com/Pete-Rock-%26-C.L.-Smooth/Escape/

Pete Rock & CL Smooth - T.R.O.Y. (They Reminisce Over You FYI)
https://www.whosampled.com/Pete-Rock-%26-C.L.-Smooth/They-Reminisce-Over-You-(T.R.O.Y.)/

DJ Premier Is another big name from New York, who is so ubiquitous to Hip Hop production that his reach is global, rather than being considered strictly East Coast. Has pretty much worked with every big name.

Nas - N.Y. State of Mind
https://www.whosampled.com/Nas/N.Y.-State-of-Mind/

Mos Def - Mathematics
https://www.whosampled.com/Mos-Def/Mathematics/

Gang Starr - Above the Clouds
https://www.whosampled.com/Gang-Starr/Above-the-Clouds/

Again staying in New York (in case you can't tell I have a huge bias between the 2 coasts), We have 2 completely different sounds, that are forever linked for one reason. November 9, 1993. On this day 2 of the biggest and most important hip hop records of all time were released - Wu Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers alongside A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders. They couldn't be on more opposite ends of the spectrum.

The Wu Tang Clan, led by the RZA, are inspired by Shaw Brothers Kung Fu movies, producing a raw, rugged sound.

Wu Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me in case you were wondering)
https://www.whosampled.com/Wu-Tang-Clan/C.R.E.A.M./

GZA - 4th Chamber
https://www.whosampled.com/GZA/4th-Chamber/
Just a side note, GZA (AKA Genius) is an interesting figure, who just happens to be part of the American science community and good friends with Neil Degrasse Tyson.

A Tribe Called Quest are what you would call high brow hip hop and have very eclectic samples. They are a founding member of the Soulquarians, who strived to present an intellectual and Afrocentric view on life in the USA in the 90s. The Soulquarians include such luminaries as The Roots, De La Soul, Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Erykah Badu and a certain J Dilla (we will get to him later).

A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
https://www.whosampled.com/A-Tribe-Called-Quest/Electric-Relaxation/

A Tribe Called Quest - Award Tour
https://www.whosampled.com/A-Tribe-Called-Quest/Award-Tour/

Here we are, time to look at J Dilla. Mr. No Quantize. We've already spoken quite a bit about this guy. He is widely considered the greatest Hip Hop producer of all time. The fact he passed away in his 30s only adds to the sense of awe people have when regarding his body of work. Originally from Detroit, he has made music all over the world and is pretty much above regional styles.

Common - The Light
https://www.whosampled.com/Common/The-Light/

De La Soul - Stakes Is High
https://www.whosampled.com/De-La-Soul/Stakes-Is-High/

The Pharcyde - Runnin'
https://www.whosampled.com/The-Pharcyde/Runnin%27/

The Pharcyde - Drop
https://www.whosampled.com/The-Pharcyde/Drop/

MF DOOM (to quote a track listed below: Remember ALL CAPS when you spell his damn name) is bizarre, unique and my personal favourite because of his absolutely ridiculous choice of samples. Frank Zappa, Steely Dan, random episodes of Ironside. Nothing is off limits for this guy. He also refuses to be seen in public without wearing a metal mask inspired by a comic book villain named Doctor Doom. All of his music is produced under the guise of his numerous alter egos (DOOM, Viktor Vaughn, Madvillain, King Geedorah to name a few) and he is known to send impostors in masks to live performances instead of going himself. Absolutely. Bat Shit. Insane. How can you not love a guy who released an album called Vaudeville Villain.

Viktor Vaughn - A Dead Mouse
https://www.whosampled.com/Viktor-Vaughn/A-Dead-Mouse/

MF DOOM - Gas Drawls
https://www.whosampled.com/MF-DOOM/Gas-Drawls/

Madvillain - ALL CAPS!
https://www.whosampled.com/Madvillain/ALL-CAPS!/

Madvillain - Meat Grinder
https://www.whosampled.com/Madvillain/Meat-Grinder/

There is so much more to explore, but I feel we should cut this short. There is one more sound that immediately comes to mind - West Coast G Funk. Think Parliament, George Clinton, Zapp. Dr. Dre was one of the pioneers and Hip Hop's first billionaire. You may recognise his name from the headphones 'Beats by Dre' which sold to Apple a few years back in a massive deal.

Warren G and Nate Dogg - Regulate
https://www.whosampled.com/Warren-G/Regulate/
This track defines G Funk

2Pac - California Love
https://www.whosampled.com/2Pac/California-Love/

Dr. Dre ft. Snoop Dogg - Nuthin But a G Thang
https://www.whosampled.com/Dr.-Dre/Nuthin%27-but-a-%27G%27-Thang/

I hope this serves as a good intro to Hip Hop. We're just painting with broad strokes here, some very important sounds and artists are not included.

I need to see everybody's contracts at Universal and Sony

I'm not gonna watch my people be enslaved

I'm putting my life on the line for my people

The music industry and the NBA are modern day slave ships

I'm the new Moses

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