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Thanks Duster!

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Posted on November 25, 2016 at 08:23:22
bcowen
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 With your comments on the Oyaide DR-510 a few weeks ago, I ordered one from the Shopping In Japan site you linked as they had the best price I could find. There was a little apprehension on my part as the last couple non-domestic purchases I've tried have gone down in flames, but my apprehension was laid to rest quickly (VERY quickly) with Shopping In Japan -- instant order confirmation followed shortly thereafter with a shipping confirmation and tracking number. And get this: I placed the order the weekend before last, and the cable arrived this last Monday. 5 business days from Japan to North Carolina. Wow. It takes twice that long to get stuff from Canada that's even on the same continent. :) The cable was nicely packed in the Oyaide retail box with all the documentation and arrived in perfect condition. I'm obviously pleased, and quite impressed with their professional manner of operation.

Being spoiled with my cool new Audiodharma, I didn't even listen to the Oyaide initially and just plugged it in to cook. Cooked it for 2 days, and had some time to listen yesterday -- an event that took the place of my Thanksgiving afternoon nap making it rather significant. I've been using a Canare cable between the transport and reclocker (inexpensive at ~$40 IIRC, just a nicely constructed no-frills 75 ohm cable), and a Zu Event (silver wire, well shielded, ~$250) between the reclocker and DAC. I haven't had time to try every possible combination, but replacing the Canare with the Oyaide offered substantial improvements in detail (not hyped, just more information), soundstage space and ambience, more definition and articulation in the bass, and a more fleshed out, natural presentation in the mids. Putting the Canare back in and swapping out the Zu was more of an "either/or" kind of difference -- each cable had its own strengths, and I'll need more time to determine which I like better. Things may change too with the position of the cables reversed. But in any event, the Oyaide is half the price of the Zu, and when I have to scratch my head to figure out which is better (or, more accurately which I like better), that's a pretty strong statement for the Oyaide.

Thanks very much for sharing your experience with this cable, as I would have never known about it otherwise. Your descriptions are spot on with what I'm hearing, and I think it's an outstanding cable for a bargain basement price.

 

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Thanks bcowen!, posted on November 25, 2016 at 14:53:40
Duster
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Thanks for the kind words, bcowen. It's been a rough year for me, and after a number of harsh personal attacks in AA while on the skids, it's been difficult if not impossible to feel motivated to share my findings in the forum as much as I wish to. If not for my deep if not habitual dedication to the spirit of the forum, and my personal need to share insights and be of help to others, and with no other audiophile forums I wish to participate in, a level of grief has set in. After nearly 12,000 posts in Audio Asylum over the past 14 years, the vast majority in Cable Asylum and Tweaks, I began to feel I may have worn-out my welcome. Perhaps next year I'll get my second wind and tell about the many findings I've come across in recent months, which ironically are too many to count, as there are so many unfinished reports to share. I'm very grateful for your kindness at this Holiday time!

BTW, here's a burn-in adventure you might like to try:

1. Now that the Oyaide DR-510 is nominally fully burned-in via your cable cooker, unplug the cable from your gear and plug it in "backwards" (in reverse) and take a listen to it. You might find it interesting to listen and hear if it sounds somewhat different that way (make a mental note of it for audio memory purposes).

2. Then, plug the cable into your cable cooker in reverse and let it burn-in for a day or two.

3. After that, connect the cable to the cable cooker in the proper directional orientation and let it cook for the same amount of time when the cable was was cooked in reverse.

4. After that burn-in session, give the cable a rest overnight (about 15 hours), then place the cable back into your system and play highly dynamic music with lots of harmonically rich instrumentation for 15-24 hours on repeat in order for the dielectric to relax a bit and help the cable settle back into your system.

You might be surprised how much more open the presentation may sound, or simply enjoy the audiophile meditation involved in such an adventure ;-D

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: Thanks bcowen!, posted on November 25, 2016 at 16:05:27
bcowen
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 Duster,

I've appreciated your posts and experiences, and I'm sure there are many more who do too even if they don't post a response. So please continue to share. My experience across many forums is that the usual "attackers" very rarely (if ever) contribute anything worthwhile or share anything of substance, so I just relegate those individuals into my "not intelligent enough to care about" bucket. I have no problem with a disagreement or difference of opinion, but it can always be stated in a productive and constructive manner if the poster so chooses. And if they choose not to, then their comments aren't worth caring about...to me.

I haven't ever tried the "reverse burn." Once I get the Oyaide fully settled in and determine the best spot for it (transport-to-Remedy or Remedy-to-DAC) I'll give it a whirl and see what happens. I can't find anything in Oyaide's publications that mention whether the shield is connected on both ends or one end only. The cable is marked for directionality, but not sure if that's due to the shield implementation or just the grain structure of the wire. Guess I could pull the connectors off and see, but I hate to screw up a new cable. :) Proof is in the listening, regardless.

 

RE: Your one of the best guys on this site, posted on November 25, 2016 at 17:29:50
kkak66
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 For helping others. I always enjoy your posts. Fuck the ones who don't agree or mess with you.

 

RE: Your one of the best guys on this site, posted on November 25, 2016 at 18:20:14
The Dill
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 I agree 100%!

 

Agree also---NT, posted on November 25, 2016 at 18:43:50
lancelot
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 NT

 

RE: Thanks bcowen!, posted on November 25, 2016 at 19:25:44
Duster
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Location: Pacific Northwest
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 The termination and the end-to-end geometry is the same. The solid core silver conductor is directional due to manufacturing tolerances, drawing and annealing, extrusion factors, et al. However, there is no hard rule that says the arrow must always point from source to load. Sometimes cable, component, system, listener preference synergy is better if connected vise-versa. Subjective evaluating is half the fun of audiophilia.

Don't worry about a reverse burn-in process as a burn-in technique -- no harm is done to the cable, in any case. The cable cooker simply needs to affect the dielectric again in the proper direction. Perhaps alan m. kafton might toss in his 2 cents worth, based on his experience.

 

My 25 cents, also., posted on November 25, 2016 at 19:43:14
axolotl
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 Adjusted for inflation.

I sometimes do not even bother with reading the downstream threads of the entries unless / until you have responded.


axolotl

 

My experience is similar, posted on November 26, 2016 at 06:37:03
mitch2
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Location: Great Lakes
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 Duster, bcowen and I both purchased the Oyaide cable based on your response to paco earlier this month. Like bcowen, I also replaced a Canare digital cable with the Oyaide 510 (DB-510 BNC termination for me). The seller, Shopping In Japan, was extremely responsive by email and I received my cable in about a week. I appreciated your recommendation and your follow-up responses to my questions about how that cable might compare with the VH Audio cables you are familiar with.

I am pleased with the sound of the Oyaide digital cable. Like bcowen, I conditioned it on my Audiodharma Cable Cooker (I cooked mine 4 days based on my experience that silver responds to a longer burn-in). Given the high purity silver conductor, excellent dielectrics and connectors, double shielding, 75 ohm impedance, and the inclusion of a carbon semiconductor layer, it seems the construction and quality of this cable should be as good as just about anything out there. The price for all of that was almost unbelievably low.

Compared to the Canare, I hear improvements in resolution and smoothness mixed with a warm, rich presentation and powerful bass. High frequencies seem just about right and not hot or overdone. I suspect others may have cables they like better but to me that likely boils down to personal preferences.

Thanks again for taking the time to offer your recommendations to the rest of us. In a forum like this, there are always going to be people who disagree with each other (which is not a bad thing) as well as people who feel the need to go on a rant or attack because they are substituting an internet forum for something they are missing in the real world. Don't take that stuff personally - view it as water off a duck's back.

 

RE: Thanks Duster!, posted on November 26, 2016 at 08:39:19
el34eh@yahoo.com
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Duster........, I've known you since 2004, and you were key in me learning the differences between metal plating as it relates to AC Outlets | AC Plugs | Cabling. As well as how to judge the purity of any given conductors in cabling.

So in this regard, if not for you........, I'd never had these parts of the system behind me and finally reaching that point in life, where I'm very very very content with my system, so much so there are only about 4-5 more items needed here and there, where I can proudly and loudly say I'm done chasing the Absolute Illusion.

In my mind........., you've always been a Godsent. And I'd send out a big " Fuck Em " to those whom think otherwise.

Dude........., perch you shit. As it's a free world ( at least where I reside ) and it's becoming more and more global with each passing day.

I for one, enjoy learning, and God knows many of us do have room for growth........, so by all means......., continue to educate my ass.

And with that behind me........, I'd like to say thank you publicly for just being you.

 

I'm sorry you've been subjected to negativity , posted on November 26, 2016 at 17:33:43
johntoste
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 I've always found your posts to be helpful and generous.

Please continue to share your informed insights.

Thank you!

 

RE: Thanks Duster!, posted on November 27, 2016 at 12:41:38
pixelphoto
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 There are givers and there are takers. You Duster are a giver. What a grand human trait that is. Since I committed myself to the asylum I have benefitted numerous times from your generous sharing of your audiophile knowledge. My modest audio system is a joy to listen to because of the many tweaks and mods you and Uncle Stew shared with use. Many of us await your future offerings. Your welcome has not been worn out but is has for the bloated egos who attempt to distract us from sharing and learning. I'm a young 73 year old guy who is still learning so you can't go now; it's not time too.


Best,
pixelphoto (Marvin)

 

RE: Thanks Duster!, posted on November 27, 2016 at 14:06:09
Duster
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 Thanks, Marvin. You've always been a good fellow AA Inmate towards folks. We all need allies... That is what I would like to advocate in the forum. Posters should cover each others back if AA is to become more like a social site than it used to be (deadly serious, just the way I like it).

 

No good deed goes unpunished! (nt), posted on November 28, 2016 at 10:05:27
Crazy Dave
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