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The next frontier in Cable Cooking: Ethernet Cables

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Posted on August 29, 2016 at 22:44:43
Luminator
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Those who follow my homepage know that I have been thoroughly reviewing the Simaudio 750D and Mind 180. But my inner circle, whom I typically do not name, has been busy supporting, editing, and critiquing me. So what others do not see, or have not heard, is that my audio friends have added yet another tool, to expand the use/functionality of audio's MVP, the audiodharma Cable Cooker.

My audio friend's coworker brought to our attention that inexpensive (less than US$20) adapters already exist, with 2 male RCAs on end, female RJ45 jack on the other. With a pair of these adapters, the Cable Cooker (and other cable burn-in devices with 2 RCAs) can now treat Ethernet cables.

Even if you only have a couple of hours with the Cable Cooker, take advantage. 2 hours of Cooking an Ethernet cable outdoes any length of regular playing time.

Don't worry; in due time, I shall complete my reviews of the 750D, Mind 180, and various Ethernet cables. While you are busy Cooking not just your Ethernet cables, but everything else in your stash, I leave you with one of rock's best female vocalists, Sandi Saraya.

-Lummy The Loch Monster

 

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RE: The next frontier in Cable Cooking: Ethernet Cables, posted on August 30, 2016 at 14:54:27
alan m. kafton
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 Quite the coincidence....

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Ebay sellers..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 17:30:42
RadioWonder
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 Link...

 

RE: Ebay sellers..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 17:35:53
alan m. kafton
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 Rod....you are the guy who can find anything!

Very glad to see you posting again....

I'd bet that the Ebay adaptors are dumbing down the adaptor wiring into bundled pluses & minuses for the cheap RCA's....no trick to that.

I've developed (with my engineer) a more sophisticated solution that more thoroughly conditions ALL the wiring and dielectric materials....news at 11.

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All mine are DIY..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 17:45:03
RadioWonder
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 I made Cable Cooker DIY Adapters for HDMI Cables, Ethernet Cables... Basic Phone Line Cable also fits in the Ethernet Adapter , USB Cables, and 75 Ohm Coax Cables...

I also purchased Back-To Back Couplers for all cables mentioned above...

 

RE: All mine are DIY..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:02:41
alan m. kafton
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 ....and one should be able to do a spool of CAT-5 or 6 (on the Cable Cooker) with these adaptors as well. That would work well for a whole-house installation of hard-wired Ethernet in each room (my plan for the future).

You are a very talented man, Mr. Welst!

 

Amazon and Monoprice have lots..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:03:14
RadioWonder
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Links...
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=7280

 

RE: Amazon and Monoprice have lots..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:09:31
alan m. kafton
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 I would cryo-treat everything too....

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RE: All mine are DIY..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:13:05
RadioWonder
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 Exactly what I did... I hooked all my Ethernet Cables together without removing them from their permanent locations and used RJ-45 couplers to connect them all...
Cable Cooker was next to my DSL Router... Just unplugged and connected to Cooker with my DIY adapters...

Amazing sonic results...

 

VERY smart thinking....[nt], posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:16:06
alan m. kafton
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RE: All mine are DIY..., posted on August 30, 2016 at 18:41:46
RadioWonder
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Some of my Couplers...

Most all came from Monoprice...

 

RE: All mine are DIY..., posted on August 31, 2016 at 06:42:00
David Pritchard
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 I love my AudioDharma Cable Cooker. This is great news that Ethernet cables can be conditioned. The connectors have now been ordered.

Where can I buy connectors to condition HDMI cables?

How do I make the connections to condition my A/C wall outlets that are not yet installed?

I hope to see fellow cable cookers at RMAF this year.

David Pritchard

 

Make your own HDMI Adapter..., posted on August 31, 2016 at 20:54:55
RadioWonder
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Just purchase two of these cables... First cut the Male end off of both cables... The wires are so small so I used my thumb and finger to strip the wires... The outer casing can be carefully removed with an X-ACTO knife...

Now you need to choose a color for the Ground (Not the bare ground in photo) of your Male RCA Plugs You need to purchase two Male RCA Plugs... All the rest of the bundle goes to the Hot on the RCA Male Plug...

When I made mine the wires were so fine, I had no problem getting the bundle soldered to the Hot side of the Male RCA Plug...

If you have done this type of work before, it should take less than an hour to make your set of HDMI Adapters...

All my best to you...:)

 

The BNC Adapter shown in the photo has a male 75 ohm thread..., posted on August 31, 2016 at 21:25:57
RadioWonder
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to except a 75 Ohm cable... Condition all your 75 Ohm Cables...

Purchase as many Back-To Back 75 Ohm couplers as needed... Also shown in above photo...


Absolutely nothing to make...

 

Here are your couplers..., posted on August 31, 2016 at 21:32:21
RadioWonder
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F-Type Female to Female Coaxial Barrel...

 

RE: The next frontier in Cable Cooking: Ethernet Cables, posted on September 1, 2016 at 14:50:17
fantja
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 Thanks! for sharing- Lummy.

 

What about internal wiring in Components, Speakers, Cartridges, etc?, posted on September 2, 2016 at 20:28:07
oldmkvi
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 They never get Cooked.
What about Mic cable and all the wiring in Studios?
Come on!

 

RE: What about internal wiring in Components, Speakers, Cartridges, etc?, posted on September 3, 2016 at 17:25:11
alan m. kafton
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 A number of manufacturers are using the Cable Cooker to pre-condition large spools of hook-up wire, speaker cabling, and of course power cabling. A few manufacturers are using one or two units to pre-condition fully assembled speaker cables, power cables, and even line conditioners. More are coming on-line as word gets out.

I have one studio engineer in California who conditions the 8-channel "snakes" in his studio, but he has to do one snake at a time (since there is only one set of XLR's on the Cooker). He once measured the length of one of these channels, from the desk through the various rooms & recording stations, including break-out boxes and connectors, and back to the console....approx. 2400 feet of cabling. Not bad!

For tonearm wiring and phono cables, there is an adaptor I make just for that purpose.

I hope this information has been helpful.

 

Folk pay more for cryo treatment... who wouldn't pay more for cookin'?..., posted on September 3, 2016 at 21:27:29
musetap
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 Manufacturer's should be able to offer both cooked and "standard" product with a premium on the
cooked version. An extra week or so around the plant shouldn't slow sales or eat up much extra
labor costs that the premium doesn't cover.

There's certainly a market for it and for audiophiles it'd be cheaper than buying a cooker and more
convenient than sending cables out for cooking.

I know I'd pay a premium for it from the get go.

Is there a market for selling cookers to manufacturers?




"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

How have we gotten along all these years? nt, posted on September 3, 2016 at 21:32:00
oldmkvi
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RE: Folk pay more for cryo treatment... who wouldn't pay more for cookin'?..., posted on September 4, 2016 at 02:29:32
alan m. kafton
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 Manufacturer's should be able to offer both cooked and "standard" product with a premium on the cooked version. An extra week or so around the plant shouldn't slow sales or eat up much extra labor costs that the premium doesn't cover.

It's easier time-wise for the manufacturer to simply Cook all the cables (via daisy-chaining) and send them out to customers and dealers....for just about all of them, it's not an upcharge, but goodwill, as the manufacturers already know that the pre-conditioned cable greatly outperforms the stock. For quite a number of manufacturers, they've been providing this for many years. Some advertise the fact, some don't.

There's certainly a market for it and for audiophiles it'd be cheaper than buying a cooker and more convenient than sending cables out for cooking.

The primary benefit to owning a Cooker is that it's not just for new cabling....all cables retrograde in performance (it's physics) and require what I call "a recharge" every several months. It's been proven out thousands of times, and every Cooker owner can verify this. Just ask Lummy (the Luminator) on this forum. You can hear the difference in just a few notes.

And oddly enough, most of my sales are to individuals around the world, plus a good number of dealers and manufacturers. For the first few years, this surprised me, as I thought for certain audiophile clubs and friends would purchase a unit, sharing the cost. That made good sense to me. But over time I've been quite surprised, as this rarely occurs. Most Cooker owners use the unit on a regular basis, as I recommend those recharges at least every six months.

I know I'd pay a premium for it from the get go.

Very nice of you to say.

Is there a market for selling cookers to manufacturers?

Quite so, all over the world.

 

Cooking the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator, posted on September 7, 2016 at 12:08:26
Joe Appierto
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 Not sure if this applies only to the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator or in general but wanted to give you guys a heads-up.

Originally I tried using the Cable Cooker in conjunction with a generic Cat 7 Ethernet cable hooked up to the RLI-1 using a USB to Ethernet adapter but couldn't get any connectivity. When I saw Lummy's post, I then ordered the RCA to Ethernet adapter he mentions. They arrived today and I tried the same thing. The green light (indicating connectivity) blinked slowly for a few seconds and then went out entirely. After shutting down the Cable Cooker, removing the RLI-1 and powering on the Cooker again, everything was fine: both lights are glowing brightly.

In both cases the red power light was on. As I said, this could be just some peculiarity of the Acoustic Revive RLI-1.



Joe

 

RE: Cooking the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator, posted on September 7, 2016 at 16:21:43
alan m. kafton
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 RLI-1 has succeeded in cutting the transmission noise to an extremely low level via the combination of an Isolation transformer and Choke coil for common-mode noise.

In my view the Cooker's power supply protection circuitry is not "liking" the signal it sees from the Acoustic Revive LAN isolator....the transformer & choke are "in the way". There also may be a reactance issue with the frequency sweep circuit, which is why the green LED blinked slowly at first, then went "off", no longer displaying it's customary pattern.

Lummy's Ethernet cable has no network circuitry, so it's easily achieving continuity.

In your first instance, it's possible that your USB-to-Ethernet adaptor's internal wiring is incompatible with the wiring of the Acoustic Revive LAN isolator, hence no continuity.

At least you tried....and the Cable Cooker is otherwise in perfect working order.

 

RE: Cooking the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator, posted on September 7, 2016 at 16:36:32
Joe Appierto
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 Yes, it's working fine once I removed the LAN isolator from the Ethernet cable.

Once I Cook this generic cable, I'll be able to move onto the two Acoustic Revive cables I normally use. I'll just remove the isolator first from the output side of each of them.


Joe

 

RE: Cooking the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator, posted on September 7, 2016 at 16:41:55
alan m. kafton
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 How long do you plan to Cook the generic, and how long for the AR's?

 

RE: Cooking the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN Isolator, posted on September 7, 2016 at 16:54:19
Joe Appierto
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 Lummy reported that four days worked very well for him. I was going to do the same. The Monoprice (generic) Cat 7 uses 26AWG conductors. Acoustic Revive doesn't speak to the gauge other than to say "Single Core Cable PCOCC-A technology" with one cable 1M and the other 1.5M

Your thoughts?

Thanks, Alan.

EDIT: The Monoprice is 7 feet in length and uses a shielded foil twisted pair design. The Acoustic Revive uses a tourmaline-impregnated dielectric and the terminals a tourmaline impregnated resin.
Joe

 

Follow-Up, posted on September 23, 2016 at 07:42:48
Joe Appierto
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Location: Central NJ
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 The Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN isolator that I tried to Cook is no longer functional. Just wanted to give everyone a head's up so they don't try it him/herself.


Joe

 

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