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Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation

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Posted on March 27, 2016 at 10:25:14
Tweaker456
 Well my Cardas Hexlink 5 are gone. Would like to try a more modern cable. These Oval 9's get great reviews expecially where I'm particularly picky, in cymbals and lack of exaggerated sibilance. Stuart McCreary says "More brass, less tin". Now were talken. I'd like comments and recommendation for used all cooper, even the connectors, copper without silver plating that might equal or better these speaker cables in the under $250 category or so, from people who are familiar with the Oval 9. The Oval 9 was $299 for 8'. They now look more expensive used? Thanks, Tweaker

 

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RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on March 27, 2016 at 18:49:19
beautox
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Location: New Plymouth
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 More modern? Here's a review from 16 years ago
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/analysis_plus_cables.htm

Why not try welding cable? Oxygen free of course.

 

RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on March 27, 2016 at 19:01:01
Tweaker456
 Proud of yourself Beau. Just couldn't resist an easy one. Wonder what the tox stands for? Once again, so very helpful to me and anyone else. Ya know, this $7.00 Home Depot 12 AWG solid wire , even with it's massive roll off at 150000hz, it's swirling current eddies and massive quantities of phase shift ain't half bad, no it ain't. And another thing, California Kiwi blows that NZ crap out of the water. Real men raise cattle and don't use sheep dung on their Kiwi's. I'll take a blind AB test on Kiwi's any day of the week. Did I misspell ain't Beau? Tweaker

 

RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on March 27, 2016 at 21:15:53
beautox
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Location: New Plymouth
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 Well Tweaker, judging from the other 30 or so threads that you have started recently, you like to ask seemingly innocent questions, and when people reply in good faith you reveal that in fact, you know everything and proceed to argue with them. Just short-circuiting the process. Enjoy.

 

RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on March 27, 2016 at 21:35:07
SgreenP@MSN.com
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 I just bought ClearDay cables. If you contact them, they just might send you a review pair so you can hear what they sound like no charge. I think they're wonderful.

 

RE: Not a chance, they don't fit all preconceived ideas. , posted on March 27, 2016 at 23:01:43
Jeff Starr
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Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Joined: March 4, 2000
 Clear Day cables are made of silver.

SgreenP, I saw your post on the Clear Days. If I was in the market for speaker cables, I would definitely audition a pair.

I didn't realize that you could hang a pair of spekers off a Playstation, but what do I know?

Why not use some that fat gauge magnet wire that you often recommend?

I think Music Direct or Audio Advisor has some good deals on AQ cables. Or check out HCM, they have closeout deals.

Note:no affiliation with any of the above companies, other than as a customer.

 

RE: Not a chance, they don't fit all preconceived ideas. , posted on March 28, 2016 at 13:17:59
SgreenP@MSN.com
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 Jeff....I believe you are talking of AntiCables when you speak of magnet wire. The upper range of theirs is actually silver, not magnet wire.

 

RE: Not a chance, they don't fit all preconceived ideas. , posted on March 28, 2016 at 16:44:22
Jeff Starr
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Posts: 1574
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Joined: March 4, 2000
 No, Tweaker often suggests diy using magnet wire. No reference at all to AntiCables. He is also anti silver, including the use of silver solder. I think in his mind silver equals bright.


Like I said, I saw you comments on your new speaker cable, and would definitely try a set based on your comments.

Years ago I redid a friend's NAD based system with a pair of original Advents and I think the second pair were Boston Acoustics. He needed long riuns, 4 of them, and was cheap. I wired those up with Radio Shack magnet wire, which was an improvement over the 16 gauge crap speaker wire that was commonly used when he got system in the mid to late '70s. It is kind of a poor mans Mapleshade.

Then there was me having a little fun with the Tweaker, as he is constantly going in many directions at once. While making recommendations he doesn't seem to follow for his own use.

 

RE: Not a chance, they don't fit all preconceived ideas. , posted on March 28, 2016 at 18:08:52
Tweaker456
 Well Jeff, you are somewhat correct. I wanted to get rid of the Cardas hexlink 5 for a couple of reasons and finally did, so I am without my main cable. I recommended the mag wire for a budget speaker wire. I went to Home Depot and got some 12 AWG solid wire , generic stuff to have something to listen to and it blows away the Cardas $800 wire. A long time ago I guess I was tricked somehow. Haven't ordered up the 10AWG mag wire because this complete junk from Home Depot sounds so good and I've been thinking of other things. Clearer, faster more articulate bass, maybe slightly deeper, but only maybe, the Cardas is 10AWG total. The midrange is slightly more forward and realistic and cymbals have a more accurate brassy sound. The request for a recommendation is because I, like many others think that spending lots of money on wire made by special people with great reviews should be better than simple solid core wire , mag or otherwise. Technically the HD wire is not mag so caulk one up Jeff. You really nailed this one. Brilliant, and useful. Tweaker

 

RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on March 28, 2016 at 18:42:01
Tweaker456
 Sgreen, Even thought I stated that I was looking for copper your suggestion for Clear Day is in general likely an extreamly good one. He uses a keep it simple method, his own words and is using solid core wire. His more expensive versions add more solid core wire to get a fuller sound with better bass, I assume. He talks about the smoothness... of silver with the WARMTH OF COPPER. His site has this stuff in his own words. I will admit I have a bias against silver for a reason. The soft or dead soft annealed silver is not supposed to have the negative traits that other kinds of silver have. It's obvious that silver is super clear and smooth and if his wire is as described it would have a good chance of blowing copper wire out the door. Your wires are of high quality, solid core, simple. No Cardas swirling dervish configuration golden ratio.... Not to say they are not good products but Clear Days and my KISS method gets excellent results for most normal peoples budget. Thanks for the recommendation. I plead guilty to being biased against silver. It's good traits are obvious. Tweaker

 

Beautox's question, " Why not try welding cable", posted on March 29, 2016 at 03:43:08
Tweaker456
 My answer. "Because it's stranded and the wires touch each other". I would never chose a stranded wire or cable where the wires are in contact with each other over a solid wire or some kind of litz or litz type for sonic reasons. Something that millions and millions of my followers have already figured out for themselves. These would include Anti-Cables, Clear Day, Cardas, Morrow , Wireworld, MMapleshade....................... While the Oval 12 might not be much more if any more modern than the Cardas I suspect that the design is. One reviewer, likely a professional audio reviewer with hundreds of times more experience than I said it was the best cable he ever had in his system. This was in 2000 I think. That raises an eyebrow. Tweaker

 

" In my mind silver = bright", posted on March 29, 2016 at 03:57:58
Tweaker456
 Silver in some or many cases is bright. Or at least brighter than copper. Maybe copper is dull? Millions and Millions of my followers have come to this conclusion. It's hardly just me. This doesn't mean that all silver in all situations are bright. It doesn't mean that many of the twisted and useless comments about what I say are very bright either. It also doesn't mean that even if it was too bright for me that it doesn't sound good or great. I just don't prefer it's sound for myself from my experience with it. I'm not condemning silver in the same manner as stranded wire or boomy ported speakers. Please do a spell check for us all Beautox. That's the most important thing. Tweaker

 

Why mess around?..., posted on March 30, 2016 at 11:14:16
DeKay

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RE: Why mess around?..., posted on March 30, 2016 at 11:37:59
Tweaker456
 Why mess around? #1 this wire has no insulation which of course is a risk for shorting, #2 if used the copper would oxidize which, from what I read is a poor conductor and can cause sonic problems,#3 If I remember correctly from tests done along time ago at a certain point, I believe after 12-10AWG sound quality deteriorates. I remember the sweet spot being 12-10. That's thicker than 10awg the sound can or does deteriorate. The Temco solderable 10awg magnet wire is on the way. This will be my speaker wire until such time I'm ready to try well reviewed commercial products. The 10 AWG, IMHO would be a great place to start and judge other speaker cable from this point of reference. Hope this answers your question DeKay. Tweaker

 

I recall reading the "sweet spot" being in the 22awg-26awg range, but please..., posted on March 31, 2016 at 16:54:12
DeKay
 don't ask me to provide links to such knowledge.

I once tried DIY "nude" solid core silver 26awg & 30awg interconnects with 47 Labs OTA RCA's.

The sound was spectacular in my setup @ the time, but the dread of "something going way wrong" ended up being too stressful, so I ditched them.

 

RE: I recall reading the "sweet spot" being in the 22awg-26awg range, but please..., posted on March 31, 2016 at 17:57:08
Tweaker456
 Well DeKay if I were you I wouldn't give up on your spectacular silver IC's. I made mine, cu, with popsicle sticks with holes in them to keep the wires somewhat parallel. Mine are coated so I don't have to worry about shorts but I think parallel is the way to go. Also you can coat the bare silver wire with some kind of polyurethane varnish. Between the two you should be able to sleep at night and enjoy the spectacular, clear, smooth presentation that silver can and or does present. Going backwards ain't easy. Tweaker

 

The difference, IMO, was that they were 99%+++ nude..., posted on March 31, 2016 at 18:53:34
DeKay
 I used cotton ribbon "swings" to hold/direct the cables.

This said, the cables were located within a closed closet located outside the listening room, so sound waves & damping the wire were not a major issue.

Also ran "nude" wire through large 1/2 inch lab tubing (same/similar sound), but the lab tubing proved difficult to position/hold.

 

RE: Anaylsis Plus Oval 9 speaker cbl. reccomendation, posted on April 13, 2016 at 12:48:46
pc123v
Audiophile

Posts: 225
Joined: February 6, 2014
 @tweaker456...were you able audition the Analysis Plus oval 9...black mesh in particular? If so...how did they compare to the Cardas Hexlink 5c? I too have a problem with exaggerated sibilance and tizzy sounding cymbal reproduction. Thanks.

 

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