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Questionable Cable Choices

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Posted on January 22, 2015 at 17:27:10
thebordas
 Why do most of the posts here have mostly to do with either exotic metals or DIY stuff? I have tried a lot of this marginal crap and have had to come full circle (based on my own experiences)that MIT and Transparent cables are the only manufacturers that address real world problems with audio signal transmission. The results are always startlingly better. Granted, one should have a higher end system to truly understand what they can offer. As a listener of classical and jazz music, I have never experienced better sound then when my system(s) were lashed up with MIT or Transparent cables. Let the Geek Storm begin! FYI, silver cables are horrible sounding no matter how many times I have tried them.

 

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"only manufacturers" - Tried them All, have we? nt, posted on January 22, 2015 at 18:20:43
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RE: "only manufacturers" - Tried them All, have we? nt, posted on January 22, 2015 at 18:25:24
thebordas
 A shitload;)

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 22, 2015 at 22:56:25
stehno
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 That's interesting because my only experience with MIT and Transparent cables were listening to others' systems at shows or dealer showroom where the cabling was in the $25k - $35k range and the entire systems were in the $150k -$300k range and I don't recall a single one of those systems that sounded musical in the least.

I've never tried MIT nor Transparent in my own system, nor really have any desire to. But I have owned a number of ic's ranging from $25 to $3500 per pair but my most musical ic's that I've settled on are a $300 pair of 8 year old BPT cryo'ed silver ic's that sat in my closet for 7 years because they couldn't quite match the musicality of my various copper ic's I had double-cryo'ed via the vapor method.

But last year, on a hunch I had a company known for their complete immersion cryo'ing method that takes the object down to liquid nitrogen's boiling point of -320.4 degrees F, treat these and eventually all my ic's and sc's, and ever since the silver BPT ic's have been my ic's of choice.

Though I've owned or auditioned numerous speaker cables over the years, my sc's of choice for 9 years now remain the Audio Tekne's which I had double-cryo'ed via the vapor method 9 years ago and last year were cryo'ed via the full-immersion method.

But to say only 2 cable mfg'ers are addressing real world problems (both of whom I think don't cryo-treat their cables like many mfg'ers do even though many may not advertise it), seems a bit closed minded IMO.

I've been sold on the sonic benefits of cryo-treating, both vapor but especially the full-immersion method for 11 years now for most everything electrical (even my Romex for the 4 dedicated lines is cryo-treated).

So much so, that I would take a well-constructed $300 pair of properly cryo'ed ic's over a $10k or $20k pair ic's not cryo'ed.

And not think twice about it. Unless of course I had the option to sell the $10k or $20k ic's for the money and use a tiny portion of the proceeds to purchase a well-constructed $300 pair of ic's properly cryo'ed.

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 02:28:13
thebordas
 You should be the poster child for delusional cable mythology. MIT AND TRANSPARENT both offer affordable products that can demonstrably improve your listening experience in a well put together system. If you are chasing your tail and trying to overcompensate for colorations or problems elsewhere in your system, then enjoy your frozen, silver music bleaching wires. Voodoo does not help preserve audio signal travel from one component to another, it merely highlights or masks certain frequencies. I am told that some people simply can't hear very well...in those cases, there is zip cord.

 

cyro cables, posted on January 23, 2015 at 05:04:39
hawkmoon
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 when you had your cables cyro'd, do you leave the male connectors on? ( I assume you do).

Thanks

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 08:56:12
unclestu
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 Kinda funny. When MIT and Transparent split, Bruce Brisson of MIT was not so sure things like 6N wire made a difference. Transparent however, continued on with their copy of MIT and used the 6N wire..... Apparently there is a contradiction even in your favored cables.

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 09:10:51
thebordas
 They have both evolved their designs over the years...for the better! Your comment is meaningless;(

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 10:30:54
unclestu
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 Seems to me if one company uses 6N and the other doesn't, then it invalidates your statement. Just saying.....

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 11:56:28
thebordas
 This is ancient news ...no longer applies. MIT has used 6 nines copper even in their old AVT entry level stuff! Actually, that was a silver/ copper alloy...they continually try to improve design and performance where audible.

 

RE: cyro cables, posted on January 23, 2015 at 12:19:56
stehno
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 Yes, it' the finished product that I ship out for treatment.

 

Hmmmm...., posted on January 23, 2015 at 14:31:16
unclestu
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 silver copper alloy, a direct contradiction of your first post.

 

RE: Hmmmm...., posted on January 23, 2015 at 14:35:55
thebordas
 They dropped the silver after AVT!

 

Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 14:40:10
stehno
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 Work with me here, Dave, as we reason through this together.

1. You claim that MIT and Transparent are the only cables that address real world problems. Hence, you're statement implies that you've tried every mfg'er's cables. Would you please confirm here that you have indeed tried every cable in the world?

2. You claim to know what "real world" problems are when it comes to cables. How about sharing what the "real world" problems are that cables exhibit? Also, how about sharing how only MIT and Transparent have successfully addressed those "real world" problems. Perhaps you could even give us some detail how where all the other cable mfg'ers fell short.

3. You question exotic metals and DIY stuff? Has it not occured to you that some DIY-types, engineers, wannabe engineers / designers listen to cables like MIT and Transparent and are convinced they can build a better mouse trap? It's called a "what if?" or "I think I can do better" attitude. This is where the more ingenuitive types (unlike yourself) invoke experimentation, R&D, and trial and error to pursue their dream of a better tomorrow or at least satisfy their curiosity. Our nation was essentially founded on this attitude. Yet, here you are thinking certain babies were born without that ingenuitive trait, but instead where born with Litz wire encased in a Teflon dialectric is hanging out of their mouths almost as though The Creator pre-destined some to be cable mfg'ers and already implanted all the knowledge they need to "address real world" cabling problems to start mfg'ering and bestow their blessings onto their fellow man.

4. You mention one should have a higher-end system for one to truly understand what MIT and Transparent offer. Thereby implying that you know what constitutes a higher-end system and that YOU truly understand. Fine. What do you consider to be a higher-end system? What is it that you truly understand about MIT and Transparent's ability to successfully address "real world" problems? Please explain what these 2 mfg'er's cables are able to do sonically for your system what no others cables in the world can do?

5. You claim every silver cable you've tried sounds horrible, no matter how many times you've tried them. Of course you realize that silver is slightly above copper on the metal conductivity chart, right? Do you think it possible that all the silver cables you've tried just might be a tad more revealing than the coppers you've tried? If that's possibly, then is it not also possible that a more revealing cable is also indiscriminate about what it reveals more of, whether it be more music or more distortions? If that is possible, then is it not also possible that all the silver cables you've tried are revealing significantly more distortions in your system and that's why you think all silver cables sound horrible?

BTW, you speak as though I have even a remote interest in auditioning MIT and Transparent cables. I suspect only an indiot would interpret that from my previous post.

But like I said, dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot. However, since I'm a "what if?" kinda' guy, my question to you is, what if you were? Would your parroted posts sound any more or less intelligent than they do here?

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:08:09
thebordas
 When I get home I will address your ramblings;)

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:37:25
fantja
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 I concur Dave w/ Transparent (never auditioned MIT). If you really enjoy these cables/cords, you owe it to yourself to demo both Silent Source cables/cords and Stage III Concepts (power cords only)!

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:38:56
fantja
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 I am a big Jazz head to boot. And no, I do not care anything about DIY stuff...

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:39:00
stehno
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 Take your time, Dave. This way you can collect your thoughts before you type. :)

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:48:26
thebordas
 At Target...collecting a birthday gift! My thoughts are in the can man;)

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 23, 2015 at 15:51:49
thebordas
 A reasonable man with a reasonable proposal!

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 16:03:58
stehno
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 I guess shopping at Target sure beats having to get all dressed up to shop at Wal-Mart. :)

 

RE: "a shi*load", posted on January 23, 2015 at 16:12:00
Dave Garretson
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 Good bottom end but pinched off on top, I assume.

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 16:21:50
thebordas
 True dat

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 17:51:48
thebordas
 My experience comes from having an open mind. Unlike you, I have purchased and owned a great cross section of the various cable designs. You wanna talk over a beer sometime for a few hours then I can give you a brief history of my cable endeavors. I have heard differences in all the cables and I can understand how some people can be happy with their various strengths. I want as realistic a presentation as possible, there in lies the rub! Personal systems I have owned are vast and cover a broad range of manufacturers and technologies as well. I consider Terry At Overture a friend. I also knew Dave at Soundex back in the day. Ron at SS exton, Pa also is a friend. Gene at the now bankrupt HiFi House was also a valued acquaintance . $30k speakers to $1500, $500 amps to $20k...$20k cables to $150! I put my money where my mouth is Tehno. I experimented, mixed it up and tube rolled....no bias , just my 2 ears and some great music. Often I would refresh my ears with live music to remind myself of the futile attempt to recreate reality in the home. But sometimes I have come close enough to cry. MIT and TRANSPARENT have technologies that allow the music to live and breath in my home with all the dynamics, subtlety and expressiveness of almost the real thing! Whatever you wish to believe is your prerogative...I've taken the road less travelled, and that has made all the difference. Just had to get that line in;)) At the end of the day , wire is just wire...I can hear such a vast improvement with MIT and or Transparent that it makes me wonder what the Hell some people are listening to? To each his own and to all a good night.

 

RE: Hmmmm...., posted on January 23, 2015 at 18:43:27
thebordas
 They tried it and dropped it...open minded, unlike some here! Transparent tried silver as well...just not musical.

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 20:10:51
stehno
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 Hi, Dave. I'm really not seeing the open mind part. I mean you claim that MIT and Transparent are the only two mfg'ers in the world who make cables worth owning.

Moreover, it seems you think that anybody who believes differently than you must be practicing or are victims of voodoo.

Then you name drop as if that adds any credibility. Of course you realize most of those names are in the business to make money, right? My guess is, they'd probably befriend a rock if they thought they could make a sale. Besides, you probably don't want to know what I think about some of these dealers, distributors, mfg'ers, etc.

Then you tell me you "put your money where your mouth is" and you "mixed it up" without bias? Everybody's biased toward something and your posts seem to be overloaded with bias.

Now for a moment there, you almost had me at the "Often I would refresh my ears with live music to remind myself of the futile attempt to recreate reality in the home."

But then you lost me again at the, "But sometimes I have come close enough to cry."

Sorry, Dave, but you're just not giving me anything to sink my teeth into except for your bias.

BTW, how much money are you willing to put where your mouth is? :)

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 23, 2015 at 20:40:13
thebordas
 Enjoy your system ... all the best to you and yours!!

 

RE: Hmmmm...., posted on January 23, 2015 at 20:43:50
unclestu
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 So did they refund buyers?

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 24, 2015 at 15:28:22
fantja
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 Dave- another thought on Transparent;
I like the fact that these cables/cords go well w/ inexpensive systems as well. One can spend as much money as he wishes, it still sounds excellent.

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 24, 2015 at 15:38:11
thebordas
 What I like most about both MIT and Transparent is that they deliver more foundational weight to instruments and more realistic tonal balance.

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 24, 2015 at 16:20:32
earnie3
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 If anyone tells someone you should only use these certain cables because everything else is junk. Run for the hills. Cables are very system dependent. The only thing I hate about not is that they are so over priced it is stupid. I listen to many mit lines and I used to own oracle at one time. Yes the top of the line is very good but the mid line and lower line is way overpriced. I had a friend who worked for Bruce at mit and there I is a lot of r&d yes but when they sell a cable for $1000 that cost then less than $50 to make. That just pisses me off. And no I am not gonna drop any names.

 

RE: Questionable Cable Choices, posted on January 24, 2015 at 17:10:39
thebordas
 Don't be offended just because I find MIT and Transparent to sound best to my ears... Enjoy your own illusion! As for price..get what you can afford and stop hating! Some of you pea brains missed my comments about my understanding of other cable designs and my experimentation. I have a right to say it how I hear it...get over it!

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 25, 2015 at 08:22:40
fantja
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 Yes, this is true. It is rumored that the founder of MIT cables/cords once worked for Transparent.

 

RE: Dave_b, far be it from me to call you an idiot., posted on January 25, 2015 at 09:59:09
thebordas
 Brisson actually was the original brains behind the entire high end cable industry. His Interlink cable by Monster was the first offering, which was a watershed product for the high end. He then founded MIT and had some marketing done by Transparent's founders, who then broke off and started their own cable business.

 

Behave yourself., posted on January 25, 2015 at 10:22:37
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 If you continue to denigrate others, and make sweeping statements of opinion as fact just to be contentious, then you will be banned.

Stating that only MIT and Transparent are the only decent cables is pretty arrogant and unsubstantiated. Stating that any one who uses other brands of cable is a (insert insult here) is also not acceptable behavior.

Clean up your act.

Moderator,

Jon Risch

 

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