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Switch from Pangea AC-9?

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Posted on November 8, 2011 at 14:06:52
ggking7
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 I'm happy with my Pangea AC-9 power cables but they're the only non-generic power cable I've ever used. Now that I need to buy one in a different length, I'm wondering if there's another good bang-for-the-buck one I should try?

 

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MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 8, 2011 at 17:21:23
Duster
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One big bang for the buck audiophile power cord is the MS Audio OCC Single Crystal Copper power cord. It clearly outperforms another lower-cost level product Shunyata Venom3 power cord when placed within my digital front end, where two MS Audio OCC power cords are doing duty. It's quite responsive when mated wirh various AC outlets and IEC inlets in order to achieve a customized synergistic match.

$120 (2 meter) - See link:

 

It sure is pretty! *, posted on November 8, 2011 at 22:04:29
Mike K
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RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 9, 2011 at 05:46:15
Dave Pogue
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 Duster, do you know whether they offer this PC in other lengths?

 

Are your comments relative to a comparison? -nt, posted on November 9, 2011 at 07:30:35
soulfood
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 nt

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 10, 2011 at 06:03:35
Jerry P
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 My calculation indicates 19 AWG (.028 ohms/m) this is not
for 30 amps and too small IMHO. Can you comment further
on this cable?

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 10, 2011 at 13:04:39
Duster
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 The seller indicates the power cord is 12 AWG.

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 10, 2011 at 13:06:49
Duster
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 Only 2 meter (as far as I know).

 

Metal case for the power plug ?!, posted on November 10, 2011 at 13:43:17
avsBuddy
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 Wow. That is an accident waiting to happen, no thank you, I like being alive.

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 10, 2011 at 13:52:38
Dave Pogue
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 Thanks. I may query them.

 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 10, 2011 at 20:40:27
Regor Ladan
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 I strongly suggest checking out:

The DH Labs Encore

The Element Cable Element Cord or Red Storm

RS Cables (forgot the name of their AC cord)

Transparent's entry level AC cord.



 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 06:58:47
soulfood
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 "I strongly suggest checking out:..."

Any particular reason why?

 

AC-9 is king of the hill?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 07:22:07
ggking7
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 I expected we would reach a consensus on at least one serious contender by now. Is the AC-9 the go-to power cable in its price range?

 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 07:24:28
Regor Ladan
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 Yes, I own them all, and they are excellent performers, all costing around
$100, give or take. The Element Cord is actually $65, complete with top shelf Wattgate connectors.

The DH Labs Encore is about $120, full shielded, and is very well built.

My favorite non budget cords are Acoustic Zen AC cables.

 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 08:10:40
basilio89@hotmail.com
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 Regor: Which of your suggested cords equals or bests the AC-9? Thanks, Vasil

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on November 11, 2011 at 08:18:54
basilio89@hotmail.com
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 Dave: If you succeed, let us know. I would also like a shoter cord option. Thanks, Vasil

 

My thought too, posted on November 11, 2011 at 08:56:52
cfraser
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 But it's so pretty! Maybe I could wear it around my neck...

 

I've had.........., posted on November 11, 2011 at 09:09:54
Awe-d-o-file
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Oyaide's M-1, their top of the line for several years now. No prob. Only stupidity could cause a problem, it's very well made. Perhaps Oyaide has a little too much confidence in the general public.



ET

"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936

 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 11:02:08
Regor Ladan
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 First, let's start with the premise that I feel the AC-9 kind of darkens the sound a bit. Having said that, I would say the Element Cord is a bit more vivid, and the DH Labs Encore right in between.

The EC is just a killer value.
www.elementcable.com

The DH Labs Encore is a bit less flexible, but really well made.

The Transparent is 99 bucks, and kind of looks like a stock cord, but don't be fooled it is really good. I would say it is very netural.

http://www.transparentcable.com/products/show_product.php?recID=57&catID=5&modCAT=1

I also have the one up from that, but it will run you 250, and it is a step up:

http://www.transparentcable.com/products/show_product.php?recID=56&catID=5&modCAT=1

I have the Shunyata Venom as well, but have not heard the newest version.

 

RE: I've had.........., posted on November 11, 2011 at 11:16:23
avsBuddy
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 The Oyaide has complete plastic (fiberglass) shell inside, on top of which aluminum shell is fitted. If these made the same way, than it should be more or less safe.

 

RE: Metal case for the power plug !, posted on November 11, 2011 at 11:33:00
cdb
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 Sure...standard design in industrial pin-and-sleeve plugs/receptacles at 30-400A.

Of course, in those the plug shell is grounded to the circuit ground. And, they are listed by a Nationally Recognized Testing Lab.

 

Yes, for current., posted on November 11, 2011 at 12:28:26
sbrians
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 If you have high power amps fed by low-resistance wiring (10 ga. in my case), feeding inefficient speakers as do I, then I believe that you can't beat that 7 gauge cable for the price if the goal is to maximize the power output capabilities of the amp. I think this would be hard to dispute by anyone who tries that.
In other scenarios, I don't know. There's the Cullen one, etc., that I have not heard. I do think that even at lower power it sounds better than my Audio Art cables on my 300W+ amps.
I may have one on a lower-powered item right now and it still sounds better than my other power cords.

 

RE: Switch from Pangea AC-9?, posted on November 11, 2011 at 13:28:55
soulfood
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 It seems from his response below, none of the ones he recommend.

 

Synergy with palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX..., posted on November 11, 2011 at 13:33:45
Duster
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IME, one tip to share is how well the MS Audio OCC power cord performs when mated with a palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX AC outlet (replacing a stock PS Audio Power Port AC outlet) installed in a PS Audio UPC-200 power line conditioner that feeds my digital front end. The somewhat dry sounding leading edge transients and wide-open spaciousness of the MS Audio OCC power cord is well complemented by the highly liquid, starkly vivid sounding palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX without sounding bright nor affecting the notion of a spotlit treble in a manner that some folks have reported in response to what they perceive as the ruthless sonic signature of the palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX. YMMV

 

Regardless of aggregate gauge..., posted on November 11, 2011 at 16:34:44
Duster
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 ...according to prevailing audiophile wisdom, a shielded power cord such as a Pangea may not be such a good thing for high current amplification and AC power distributor applications, since unshielded power cords tend to be highly favored for all but digital component applications and a few other specialty applications. This may be one of the reasons why some folks might find a Pangea to sound lackluster when placed on said applications within their audio systems, not to mention the dielectric involvement of Pangea's molded plastic AC connectors for any audiophile application. just my 2 cents worth. YMMV



 

"Prevailing audiophile wisdom", posted on November 11, 2011 at 18:31:55
Dave Pogue
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 Sorry, Duster, but that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one :-)

 

RE: Regardless of aggregate gauge..., posted on November 11, 2011 at 19:54:20
soulfood
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 "This may be one of the reasons why some folks might find a Pangea to sound lackluster when placed on said applications within their audio systems, not to mention the dielectric involvement of Pangea's molded plastic AC connectors for any audiophile application. just my 2 cents worth. YMMV"

When you say, "just my 2 cents worth. YMMV", does that mean as it relates to the OP's concern, that the Pangea may not be lackluster compared to the other brands mentioned in this thread?

 

Go figure (nt), posted on November 12, 2011 at 02:42:35
Duster
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 nt

 

:-) nt, posted on November 12, 2011 at 02:46:48
Duster
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 nt

 

That's a relief., posted on November 12, 2011 at 04:05:49
soulfood
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 I thought you might have been attempting to establish charts and buzzwords for replacing listening comparisons.

 

what about the Venom?, posted on November 12, 2011 at 05:15:16
tonyptony
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 Regor, I'd be interested in your description of the Venom (even if it isn't the latest), compared to these others.

 

RE: what about the Venom?, posted on November 12, 2011 at 08:33:09
Regor Ladan
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 The Venom is a very good cord for $99. I am not the biggest fan of molded connectors, but Shunyata says there is a bunch of trickle down design in the Venom.

I think it is pretty neutral sounding, probably closest to the DH Labs Encore in performance, and more flexible.

 

RE: It sure is pretty! *, posted on November 19, 2011 at 12:16:31
thebordas
 Thart iz 'n awf'ly perty curd....ya rekon I cud tak'it tu da prom?

 

What about the SE?, posted on November 20, 2011 at 18:08:27
ggking7
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 Is the AC-9SE a worthwhile upgrade?

BTW, it looks like I'm going to be plugging into a power conditioner instead of into the wall so I only need very short power cables, .6m and 1m.

 

Synergy with palladium Oyaide Power Inlet R..., posted on November 23, 2011 at 17:37:22
Duster
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 Another tip to share is how well the MS Audio OCC power cord performs when mated with a platinum + palladium Oyaide Power Inlet R IEC inlet featuring Oyaide FTL-G gold female quick disconnects that feeds my Theta digital transport. The presentation is obviously more elegant sounding with greater low level resolution and transparency. Less digital sounding with a more analog-like gestalt. Excellent synergy, to my ear.

 

I've queried them thru Ebay., posted on December 5, 2011 at 07:51:05
Dave Pogue
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 About a week ago. No response to date.

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on April 7, 2014 at 17:29:02
Goodwine59
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 Thank you Duster for sharing this find. I bought one of these cords and I'm really impressed with its performance. Have you bought any other cables or worthwhile items from this vendor?, Once again, thank you.

Cesar

 

RE: MS Audio OCC power cord..., posted on April 21, 2014 at 11:48:05
ionman
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 The best entry level power cord is the DCCA Powerwave 5, IMHO. This is DCCA audio's entry level power cord, but it can compete with other manufacturer's mid to top-of-the-line power cords. It starts at $300.00 for 4ft., but is well worth the investment. I very smooth, vivid, holographic sound that creates a pulse to the music.

-Ionman
"An ounce of perception, a pound of obscure." - Neil Peart

 

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