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Help! Musical Fidelity A3Cr amp owners!

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Posted on August 31, 2002 at 19:06:05
nousaeous
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While rejiggering my system, I noticed some pretty obvious channel crosstalk.

I had just 1 channel (for example, the left channel) from my preamp running in to my amp and I could hear the signal coming out of the left channel!!! While this amp works very well normally, I cannot help but think this is a major flaw, especially since this is supposed to be a dual mono design.

Is there any other explanation for what's happening? I would very much appreciate it if other A3Cr amp owners would try running only 1 channel in to their amps and see if they can hear both channels.

 

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correction: Re: Help! Musical Fidelity A3Cr amp owners!, posted on August 31, 2002 at 19:08:11
nousaeous
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I had a major typo in my original response:

"I had just 1 channel (for example, the left channel) from my preamp running in to my amp and I could hear the signal coming out of the left channel!!!"

should be

"I had just 1 channel (for example, the left channel) from my preamp running in to my amp and I could hear the signal coming out of the other channel!!!"

Reposted corrected version below:

While rejiggering my system, I noticed some pretty obvious channel crosstalk.

I had just 1 channel (for example, the left channel) from my preamp running in to my amp and I could hear the signal coming out of the other channel!!! While this amp works very well normally, I cannot help but think this is a major flaw, especially since this is supposed to be a dual mono design.

Is there any other explanation for what's happening? I would very much appreciate it if other A3Cr amp owners would try running only 1 channel in to their amps and see if they can hear both channels.

 

I know the answer., posted on August 31, 2002 at 22:37:47
Well, at least I have *an* answer. The crosstalk between channels - signal from from channel audible through the other - is a common trait of Musical Fidelity amp's if not much of their range.

Other Asylees have mentioned the same problem, and this was one of the main reasons I did not buy the A300 a couple of years ago. I just could not adjust to the idea that I was not going to hear each channel where it should be and nowhere else.

Also, if you have two sources attached and turned on but only one playing, you may be able to hear it when selecting another source - another case of breakthrough.

You are right about it being a major flaw. This is simply a case of poor design - particluarly when they make a lot about their stuff being dual-mono amp's.


Best regards,
Wordsmith

 

Re: I know the answer., posted on September 1, 2002 at 03:57:31
Porkless


 
Surely MF should be able to get this problem sorted.
Michaelson has been designing his amps for many moons
now.Although some of the MF sure looks the part.Much
better than the early stuff
Happy listening Wordsmith.

 

I guess it really is a DUAL MONO amplifier then..., posted on September 1, 2002 at 09:17:25
Gepetto
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hehehe. Pretty poor if this is true...what is the channel crosstalk spec for the amp then??
G.
Crank it up...

 

Re: I know the answer., posted on September 1, 2002 at 12:08:12
nousaeous
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About crosstalk between input channels - wouldn't that be case of a preamp design problem?

What's surprising is that this amp got great press. Why is it that a supposed major design flaw has not been exposed or even much discussed?

Is there something I'm not getting?

 

Are you testing fro crosstalk properly ?, posted on September 1, 2002 at 13:25:22
john dem
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From reading your posts, it looks like there is only one RCA from the pre going into one channel.

Shouldn't you check for crosstalk with the unused input shorted ?

Maybe one of the helpful engineers here can assist with a simple test for crosstalk which will reassure you that your amp is within its spec.

Shorting plugs on unused inputs is a good idea anyway- check the Tweakers Asylum archives for more info.

good luck

john dem, fresh from some very cross talk at the Vinyl Asylum

 

Re: Are you testing fro crosstalk properly ?, posted on September 1, 2002 at 14:44:15
nousaeous
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Does it matter since the A3Cr is supposed to be a "dual mono" design?

 

Well, dual mono usually means, posted on September 1, 2002 at 15:44:32
john dem
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a single chassis but both channels have completely independent circuitry and independent power supplies.

The proximity of the leads/tracks from L and R however can be very tight on a particular input, or throughout an amp- I'm sure one of the designers here could give some more detail on how proper design and layout can minimize problems, but with one unconnected input on your power amp picking up and amplifying signals from the nearby active channel(s)- you may expect some crosstalk to be audible.

I have a test cd somewhere from Denon with test tones on each channel for crosstalk measurements- maybe you can hunt up a similar CD and check the crosstalk with some degree of certainty.

 

Any well designed amp should be dead quiet..., posted on September 1, 2002 at 19:09:09
Gepetto
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even with the unused input open or unshorted on one channel as described in this thread.
G.
Crank it up...

 

Re: I know the answer., posted on September 2, 2002 at 19:20:24
Greg Cz


 
Used an A300 for quite some time. No crosstalk and the integrated amp is dead quiet at all volume settings.

 

Re: Help! Musical Fidelity A3Cr amp owners!, posted on September 6, 2002 at 04:44:11
DKC
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I felt real silly like doing this but I removed one RCA jack and there is no noise in the other side.

 

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