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The Truth

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Posted on May 17, 2016 at 16:04:24
jrdoe
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 "The Truth" changes the paradigm in Reference Line Stages, literally. Its existence has even forced me to remove a "Direct Connection" in "Class A", because such a choice no longer makes any rational sense to me. In the end, "The Truth" is effectively a "direct connection" with no sonic downsides, and with the ability to drive any amplifier load and/or length of cable, while allowing any source to be heard at its very best. With the exception of extra gain, an audiophile can't ask for more than that. I realize that this may all sound "too good to be true", but it isn't.

-- Arthur Salvatore

Thoughts...?

 

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LOL..., posted on May 17, 2016 at 16:21:13
mkuller
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 ...it's only Salvatore's opinion.

Are you a troll?

 

RE: LOL..., posted on May 17, 2016 at 16:36:16
jrdoe
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 Nope, not trolling. thought it was a legit question.

Was that a rhetorical question? Here's one for you, as the answer is clear: are you an ahole?

 

RE: LOL..., posted on May 17, 2016 at 17:14:53
AudioSoul
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With emphasis on ONLY....

 

Truth is, he's traditionally so long winded..., posted on May 17, 2016 at 20:56:51
musetap
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 I've yet to bother reading the whole thing (which has been there for quite a while).

Pretty much that goes for most of his writing and opinions.

I do admire his perseverance and dedication to the hobby though.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

I tried the Direct Connection pre-amplifier one time, posted on May 17, 2016 at 21:19:28
jedrider
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 It was too loud for my taste.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 17, 2016 at 22:32:58
mrdavis842
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 I wonder if Salvatore is telling "The Truth".

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 04:52:43
morricab
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 It's worth a try I would say.

I know that there are also tube based "buffer" preamps as well. Arthur's vaunted Audion Quattro (see his preamps with phono) uses a cathode follower line stage, which is essentially a zero gain buffer.

It is also not the first zero gain SS buffer that has been available, either commercially or DIY (I remember Corey Greenberg from Stereophile had an article on a homemade SS buffer using a particular monolithic buffer chip).

Why this one is superior might have to do with the light controlled attenuation rather than a standard potentiometer, stepped attenuator or TVC.

At the price available it seems not to hard to try it out.

 

Ok I've been trying to read this article for two years now, posted on May 18, 2016 at 06:25:34
airtime
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 It's like a bad movie that I can't seem to get to the end of.

After speed reading it, AGAIN it seems like it's a simple buffer. I do recall already seeing the same switching devices in several other DIY plans.

 

Same here. It's way too long but can be summarized...., posted on May 18, 2016 at 07:51:28
AbeCollins
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 ...in a couple sentences.


- "The Truth" is a buffered passive linestage that happens to use an LDR for a volume control.

- And the author thinks it's the bee's knees and the cat's meow!


Done.

 

RE: Ok I've been trying to read this article for two years now, posted on May 18, 2016 at 08:16:34
jrdoe
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 I can understand the jokes/jibes at Salvatore's expense. His articles are very long. Too long, maybe.

But...he's clearly passionate about audio reproduction. So the question in my mind is whether he's knowledgeable and the information is useful and/or correct. Taking into account everyone's "IMO", of course.

He obviously has years/decades of experience. So in that way, he's similar to a professor. They can be weird. But it's also interesting/useful to talk to a professor about "their" subject. It's something they've studied/taught for possibly decades. There are few people in the world who know as much as they do about their subject. They can write/talk ad nauseum about it. But...if you really want to know about that topic, who better to talk to? And most importantly, they usually don't have anything they're trying to sell you.

The problem with audio, IMO, is there are so many opinions tied to money. People will tell you what they think, but eventually you realize they have a stake in the game, so you immediately back off and try determine if you're being "played".

So back to Salvatore...is he selling anything? I know you can pay for his advice, and he appears to be friends with the Coincident folks. But it seems to be his unfiltered opinions, IMO.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 08:17:06
Tre'
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 My thoughts?

To start with, "First is the volume control, which uses Light as an attenuator, in contrast to a common resistor or a transformer." is not true.

It uses light to change resistances and those resistances are the attenuator.

Tre'


Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

RE: Ok I've been trying to read this article for two years now, posted on May 18, 2016 at 08:23:11
mkuller
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 >...he appears to be friends with the Coincident folks. But it seems to be his unfiltered opinions, IMO.>

How many Coincident products does he recommend? Appears to be lots.

Like Peter Aczel, Salvatore is pretty much considered a crackpot.

Reminds me a little of J. Peter Moncrieff of IAR.

Just one opinion among many other more trusted ones - take your pick.

 

RE: Ok I've been trying to read this article for two years now, posted on May 18, 2016 at 09:02:12
airtime
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 Ok don't take this personally.

Boiled down all he is presenting is a buffered preamp using light switching in place of a potentiometer. As exotic as that may sound many companies have already used them in their preamps as selector switches. For example McIntosh and Marantz have used them is some preamp models as early as the late 90's. I've even had one of them.

This design (with parts) HAS already been done several times over. So this in NOTTTTTT a new concept. However what he is trying to do is make it sound like this is his brain child. THAT'S why this makes him seem a little scary.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 09:04:47
airtime
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 After digging in it seems what he is doing is using light switches to "select" a resistor path. The Light in NO WAY is "effecting" or "is in" the signal path. Simply a switching mechanism.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 09:29:34
jrdoe
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 Early consensus seems to be he doesn't understand the technology well enough. Maybe this could be stated as he's too "subjective"? He does appear to base all of his statements on his listening sessions.

That seems to be nearly the opposite approach of Peter Aczel, so they don't seem comparable, as someone posted...IMO.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 10:19:32
fantja
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 AS appears to own a great deal of Vintage gear.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 10:19:55
Tre'
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 From the Horn Shoppe website,

"There are no capacitors or resistors in the signal path. There is no potentiometer in the signal path.

It uses photo cells to control the volume. It does not use optocouplers."

My guess is that he is using LDRs but not in the signal path but instead to control the gain of the buffers by controlling their feedback.

Just a guess, does anyone know for sure?

Tre'


Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

RE: The Truth-anyone own it?, posted on May 18, 2016 at 15:15:43
hawkmoon
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 Would like to hear user experiences rather than opinions.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 15:30:20
mkuller
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 ...when Aczel started The Audio Critic, in issue #1 he compared about 27 different preamps by ear and came up with one no one had heard of as the winner - the Rappaport which was in business only a couple of years - over the Levinson JC-2 which is considered a classic today.

"Crackpot" means no one trust their results or has duplicated them that I'm aware of.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 18, 2016 at 15:49:20
jrdoe
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 I've read several articles by Aczel. My general impression is he's an objectivist. He likes data, compares amps based on their waterfall and other plots (didn't he have a cube plot or something such?...I didn't go Google it).

The fact that you found some ancient (first issue!) article disputing this generalization doesn't make it wrong. I suspect most would agree with my assessment, though as I said, I've not read his articles thoroughly.

My assessment of you is you like to argue everything, and pull esoteric facts from obscure places attempting to back it up. You would have sucked at debate team.

Does this place have an "ignore" button?

 

RE: The Truth-anyone own it?, posted on May 19, 2016 at 04:02:32
slowdrag
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 Been using one for the past month . It was manufactured in 2016. Does not have the remote. Probably still 'breaking in'. I read the review . The review is consistent with my listening and use experiences. The points the reviewer is attempting to communicate should be thoughtfully considered as to how the component is used. The review is useful and I would say accurate about the finer usage observations.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 19, 2016 at 14:26:28
MannyE
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 The owner of The Hornshoppe swears by it.

 

I'm tired of The Truth - I want to go back to The Matrix , posted on May 20, 2016 at 05:43:02
airtime
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 at least there I can have a computer generated stereo. If I don't like it I can hit Delete and start all over again.

Neo

 

So, do you like it?, posted on May 20, 2016 at 07:30:21
jbrrp1
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 I have been considering ordering one for a little while now, and I would love to hear the particulars of your experience with it, especially how it delivers on the sonic goods. Thanks in advance!

 

RE: So, do you like it?, posted on May 20, 2016 at 08:08:15
slowdrag
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 Yes, I am satisfied with my new piece. I am not in the position to write a review. After being discouraged by reading in this thread the AA posters' typical useless comments, I was compelled to comment that Mr Salvatore's review was useful and to me accurate. I cannot begin to improve on the review. Therefore , I recommend reading or rereading his review, The Truth improved my system in all the sonic parameters which Mr Salvatore was impressed.

The Truth to me is a tool and a different sort of component. It is obviously not a full function preamplifier. The unit tells me where to set the named "volume control" for optimizing the listening experience (regardless of how high the level). One inconvenience for me is adjusting for best volume position since my listening position is far across room the unit. I do not think that a remote control would make the adjustment in the fine increments .I do not know that for sure but Mr Salvatore commented on that.

As for the Truth being a tool, I look forward to comparing different components on hand into the system for differences. Further, in the short time I have been using, the Truth has been most interesting in comparing LPs in my collection. By that I mean, by example, I have been comparing original Blue Notes to Music Matters reissues. The insertion of the Truth has improved on this comparison in discerning diffences, choices the remaster engineer has made, etc.

Bottom line: enjoying my system more.

Hope this helped.

 

Thanks for sharing!, posted on May 20, 2016 at 13:10:41
jbrrp1
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 I appreciate your comments. It does seem like The Truth is a worthy component to try. I have been contemplating things like the LDR units from Lightspeed and Tortuga, but the addition of the buffer might be very helpful to drive my 5m interconnects.

Again, thanks for sharing your experience.

 

As Ambrose Bierce might well have observed, posted on May 20, 2016 at 19:58:39
Mike K
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 the truth is anything which tends to support your preconceptions.


Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: The Truth, posted on May 21, 2016 at 10:49:35
mrdavis842
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 The Truth will set you free but The Truth is not free.

 

You can't handle The Truth..., posted on May 21, 2016 at 15:16:48
mkuller
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 ...but I have never heard it.

 

RE: You can't handle The Truth..., posted on May 23, 2016 at 12:03:09
mrdavis842
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 The Truth is out there, listen to it.

 

The Truth is Out There. I Want to Believe., posted on May 24, 2016 at 19:54:24
AbeCollins
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RE: The Truth is Out There. I Want to Believe., posted on May 25, 2016 at 07:47:18
mrdavis842
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 The Truth is never what it seems, don't believe everything you hear.

 

My favorite bumper sticker..., posted on May 25, 2016 at 08:12:27
mkuller
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 ..."Don't believe everything you think."

 

RE: My favorite bumper sticker..., posted on May 25, 2016 at 09:28:03
mrdavis842
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 The Truth is never far behind, don't think everything you believe.

 

RE: My favorite bumper sticker..., posted on May 27, 2016 at 12:26:24
AbeCollins
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RE: I'm tired of The Truth - I want to go back to The Matrix , posted on May 27, 2016 at 12:27:39
AbeCollins
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RE: I'm tired of The Truth - I want to go back to The Matrix , posted on June 8, 2016 at 11:21:17
Ed Schilling
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 Hi guys, first off, I never claimed to have invented using a photocell or optocoupler (which is what most everyone else uses and "miss calls" them LDR's). What I have said is that the manner in which I use them and the buffers is unique. It does not require matched parts. It has a balance and it does not vary with volume. It is immune to cable effects and both input resistance of the amp and output resistance of the source.
It is what it is and there is not another device like it unless they have ripped me off, which is bound to happen.

As to the review, prior to Mr. Salvatore informing me he had one and liked it I had no idea who he was. That was last Aug. I had no idea he would write a review. Until a couple months later.

His unit was purchased at full retail price, of course, and I did not know the owner was sending it to him at the time. I was told "send it to a friend of mine". Which I did.

So rather than speculate, just ask me the questions and I'll answer them....I'm not hard to find.

Abe, excellent bumper sticker :) Need to add "or maybe two".
Ed

 

RE: The Truth, posted on February 11, 2017 at 13:28:55
OliverC
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 I discovered by accident this thread and thought, it maybe would be interesting to share my personal experience with the Truth. It is NOT a positive one, but, despite the fact that I was quite angry about it or better said, about me purchasing it, I cannot criticize this "design" , as I simply have to take my hat off to such an anecdotic component.
So, what generated actually my analysis and observations ?

I ordered the Truth after Arthur Salvatores review was out, so I had to queue onto the burst of orders generated by his review. Around 2 weeks later I got my exemplar in its latest incarnation, although I am not sure if it was 100% the reviewed design, details to follow.

To start: it is the classical incarnation of a "garage product" and I didn't expect something different, as sound was and is my first priority. I intended to replace my Coincident Statement line stage, another problematic component that I was not able to integrate free of hum in my system (which is another, VERY ANNOYING story).

So, after unpacking the little Truth box, I observed that something was freely moving in its interior producing a vexing sound. So I had to open it. And indeed, found a half inch solder wire. Without doubt, a side effect of the formidable pressure put on the manufacturer due to the order tsunami .
But now the box was open, and I was quite astonished. To put things into perspective I will try to give a complete view :

1. Sound. Basically consistent with Arthur Salvatore observations. There are imho caveats however, which I could not live with.

2. Communication and manufacturer support: Excellent and for me fully consistent with the image of a real business man.

3. Design. well, not sure how to explain this, you should better sit down now. There isn't really a "design"; well, of course, there it is one, but unfortunately I don't know the name of the engineer at Analog Devices who designed the video buffer chip. For the rest we have one Aunt Corey buffer ( published in Stereophile here http://www.stereophile.com/solidpreamps/54/#p0AeZJuyLmPkY5bS.97) at input , a second . identical one at output and in between an attenuator in Arduino style of "how to control a photocell with a LED" (just google on this). Not even the Aunt Corey buffer is a "design" in the proper sense, as it is the buffer chip and ... well, only the buffer chip. BTW, the buffer and the photocell circuit can both make a fantastic exercise for any school experiment on electronics. No exaggeration, it can't really get simpler. Of course the manufacturer is granted for having the idea of combining all these together.
One important aspect: the power supply in my exemplar was a MeanWell universal (115-230V) switching power supply (around 15 USD retail). I am not sure if Arthur Salvatore exemplar used such one, but hey, the first BIG performance improvement is now obvious and a Mark2 for an even better price can soon see the light. Speaking of price ...

4. Price. A highly philosophical issue, I will leave this to you as an exercise. Here is the data: costs of components (incl. case) evaluated at around 75-90 USD (retail) + labor (I would estimate max 2 hours including testing). It costs around 1000 USD, but hey, you read it more than once with gear around 10K$: "it is not cheap but compared to inferior components costing twice or more, it is a real bargain". My personal position: it is overpriced.

5. Build. Sufficient.

6. Myths. The manufacturer claims, that there are no resistors or capacitors in the signal path. For Capacitors I agree,YES, as it is dc coupled, for the resistors a clear NO. It is not my intention to generate a discussion here about the foundation of this claim, and I mean it in the sense of electrical engineering, but you might want to revisit one of the following links: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/94506-shunt-attenuator-myth.html or
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~apm3/diyaudio/Signalpath.html ... just to find out in which "camp" you belong. I definitely belong in Steve Eddys camp. Any resistive attenuator is designed around a SERIES and a SHUNT element. For 2 channels you need 2 SERIES and 2 SHUNTS elements. It can't be achieved with only 2 photocells and there are only 2. If the photocells are building the SERIES path, there must be something else for the SHUNT. In this case it is a (cheap) potentiometer wired with the central pin to ground for balance control and creating so the missing SHUNT element. And IT IS in the signal path. The attenuated voltage is taken from this potentiometer, not from the cell. The second BIG improvement potential is now also obvious, use a full LDR signal path, SERIES and SHUNT. But now, this has to take into account the LDR calibration issue ...it gets much more complicated.

1. Caveats. To wrap up, the volume control is a kind of brainstorming. If you have doubts, you should take a look at the efforts done by people like Paul Hynes (LDR attenuator kit), Tortuga Audio or the formidable btfsystems LDR design with calibration . Now, I obviously don't buy that a cadmium photocell is in any respect different or superior against a Silonex optocoupler designed for audio purposes. The Truth "solves" the calibration issue by inserting the balance potentiometer, clever, eh ? However, if you do the math you will eventually find out, that, IF you set the balance at SOME volume, so you are fixing a proportion of the two SHUNT elements , then this proportion is not valid anymore with another volume setting, as far as the 2 photocells have been sorted for having a specific relation between their characteristic curves, which I doubt this was the case. So there isn't an (electrical) balance reference point, it is always "by ear". Also, the latency of the volume control is simply too large making a remote control unusable, an aspect pointed out also by Arthur Salvatore.

Wrapping up: Can one live with the Truth, are the volume control issues tolerable ? ...maybe yes. Personally I couldn't and sold it couple a days later taking a 400 USD loss and one more unfortunate experience.
Einstein was quoted for having said: "Keep it simple, but not simpler" ... The Truth is imho "too simple" but UNFORTUNATELY not too cheap. Thanks for your time and sorry for my verbose contribution.

 

RE: The Truth, posted on February 12, 2017 at 02:13:31
Trouser Trout
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 Great review....I knew the truth was out there!

 

Thank you for that write-up, posted on February 12, 2017 at 10:28:58
rottenclam
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 Wow. Thank you for such a thorough review / diagnosis of The Truth.

Salvatore is a bit of a strange bird in certain respects, but I have really come to respect his opinions and philosophies. His advocacy of a 'direct connection' is something I've been experimenting with for the last 7 years. My inspiration to tackle a such a challenge mainly grew out of my dissatisfaction with volume controls and/or pre-amps.

I've experimented with a single source running directly into the volume pots at the inputs of amps, using transformer passives, using resistor passives, using passives that utilize traditional buffers, and then the 'direct connection' itself (using carefully matched cables and components so that there is a non-adustable single volume for all music through that source).

I've found that if you are willing to live with the hair-shirt seat-of-the-pants style of a direct connection, it is best. The second best is to put one conventional resistor in the signal path between source and amp without using an extra interconnect. You can do that, commercially-speaking, via the EVS (Electronic Visionary Systems) Ultimate Attenuators.

One of the things that I think Salvatore is really onto is his concept of 'low-level listening information'. Basically, the lower the volume gets, there is NO sacrifice in information coming through the speakers. The only way I've been able to really get at that particular experience is by using single-driver speakers (that use no crossover...and on that note...Horn Shoppe speakers are a screaming deal for what they offer) or the most minimalist of crossover technology (e.g. - the original Quad ESL).

Match either of those above types of speaker scenarios with a 'voltage-gain' matched system where your amp has a very low voltage gain (Quicksilver Horn Monos, Dynaco ST-70, etc) and using a super low output cartridge with a phono stage that has low gain settings, and, *WOW*,you now are up and running with a direct connection. The purity is spectacular and the lowest level of listening is still chock full of information.

Once in a while I turn back to active pre-amps and more complex crossovers. There is definitely some fulfillment there (and certainly an easier ergonomic experience), but once the 'direct connection' has been achieved, it is hard to forget it.

 

RE: Thank you for that write-up, posted on February 12, 2017 at 21:56:50
Ed Schilling
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 Hi Oliver, you should have sent it back for a full refund. I honestly do not remember you but regardless, you should have just sent it back.
Ed

 

RE: Thank you for that write-up, posted on February 12, 2017 at 22:36:01
Ed Schilling
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 Hi Oliver, a couple other things....it needs to be pointed out that the balance does not shift with volume (regardless of what you think or say, ask about 100 guys) and that I should have said...."no resistors in SERIES with the signal path". Technically speaking a shunt may be considered in the path but not in the strict sense of the word. In this case it (balance pot.)shunts the output to ground (in the first stage) and that is needed to make just 2 cells work and ALSO allows a balance. The control is required for the circuit to work. Or it could be fixed with no provision to alter channel balance. The shunt is required. Again, regardless of what you think the channel balance is stable between volume settings and does not shift with changes.

Why did you not send it back and not lose 400 bucks? That makes no sense! You made someone very happy, I reckon. Have them contact me so I know who has it.

I've only had 2 returned....you could have been 3 of a 100 or so?
I do not understand. I would never have lost 400 bucks on something I considered a joke. I would have refunded your money instantly. I am also surprised you did not bother to contact me and tell me you found solder inside of it. That makes no sense either. You should have sent it back for that reason alone. Did you buy it just to take it apart? That was a rhetorical question.......I'm done with this thread as I have nothing else to add and see no reason to respond to comments about this here. I can always be reached by email for anyone taking the time to figure out my address and would like me to answer questions. Is it possible you actually do not FULLY understand what is going on in spite of the apparent simplicity? Please don't answer that here, I will not respond, I have email for such discussion.
Ed

 

RE: The Truth, posted on February 13, 2017 at 08:59:21
mrdavis842
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 The Truth must be heard to believe.

 

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