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In Reply to: RE: Thanks everyone! Slight update and a question . . . posted by Uncle Mike on January 14, 2017 at 10:31:47
I was more wondering if there are any dealers of choice or any to avoid. LPGear, who I have dealt with before and has a stellar reputation, sells them for $18.90 a pop. But the place called Vintage Electronics, also US-based, sells them for $8.00 each (and less if you buy 2 and even less if you buy more). The only other source I saw was a guy in Germany on eBay, who had even lower prices.
So, assuming the belts are either both original Philips or are both from the same aftermarket OEM source, I will go with Vintage Electronics for the far lower price, but neither site specifies whether they are actual NOS Philips belts or aftermarket. Should I assume the latter?
The only reason I'm at all nervous is that a repair guy once told me not to use aftermarket belts on a Thorens TD126 MKIII (another belt drive table with speed control) because he said they are all bad and burn out the motors.
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Josh: Probably aftermarket, I'd assume. But you probably needn't worry about that, as the AFxx7 family models aren't as sensitive in terms of belt quality as most other belt-drives because of the aforementioned DirectControl design.
I.e., on most of the other belt-drive designs with DC motor only the actual motor speed is sensed (if at all) and "processed" by the speed control circuitry, so that these designs have to rely on very good belt quality for a correct and constant transmission ratio as well as a comparatively heavy platter to provide a sufficient flywheel effect for low wow & flutter. Whereas the few belt-drive designs with actual platter speed sensing (first one as far as I'm aware was the Braun PS550, closely followed by Philips AFxx7 family (and its successors like for example the AF829(II)) and some years later the Dual CS750(-1)...) can compensate for somewhat lower belt quality to a certain degree and also don't necessarily require a comparatively heavy platter for good to very good wow & flutter performance (the DirectControl family models typically delivered ~ +/- 0.05 to 0.04 % (DIN, weighted) in magazine review measurements). Quite a clever concept - so that I'm actually pretty disappointed that manufacturers don't make more use of it in current models, especially as comparatively complex electronics would nowadays seem a lot cheaper and easier to implement than high precsion mechanics compared to the late 70s...
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
P.S.: Almost forgot: I'd guess for the speed adjustment using a strobe disc would be more convenient than using a smartphone with a suitable app.
I'll go for the Vintage Electronics - two for about $15.
I'm really enjoying reading up on this table.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
I bought a belt once from Turntable Basics for my Thorens TD-126 MkIII and it was twice as wide as the original. I wrote to Turntable Basics expecting them to exchange it, but instead the guy told me to take a razor blade and slit it down the middle so I would have two belts for the price of one. It sounded like he wasn't willing to exchange it or else he really didn't want to. Anyway, I built a little jig to keep the belt and razor blade in position as I dragged the belt through the jig and slit it down the middle. It actually worked very well and I ended up with two belts. Both of them worked just fine.
Good luck,
John Elison
Silver lining and all I guess. :-)
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
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