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In Reply to: RE: I'm tempted to whip it out posted by PaulF70 on October 21, 2016 at 20:33:17
there comes the day I won't be able to operate a tone arm. And more importantly I would like to preserve the sound of my favourite cartridge since the cost per play is getting too expensive for me.
I think I found the right AD finally.
This was a Kronos/Nagra set up at the Rocky and when I asked them about Nagra AD, the manufacture pointed to their Nagra Seven AD. I have heard a high res. vinyl file recorded by a Nagra before and I was always impressed by the sound.
Next to it was 38K Kronos table playing and when he played back a file recorded off the table by Nagra Seven it certainly preserved that natural analogue sound. They used the Nagra HD DAC of curse. ( Certainly it's on a *high end* side @ 28KUSD)
I'm sorry I don't have a worthwhile info to give you except to say I will be taking the same journey archiving my record collection. Altho, I have NO idea what I'll be using for a playback but there are plenty of other good DACs to choose from.
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Mine too, Kuma, even though I'm not as ancient as Dave Pogue (I'm a mere 80). But my solution (I'm thinking now - - might change my mind when I get to 110 or so) is to use headphones and subscribe to some sort of streaming service rather than mess with any of that.
There's nothing wrong with a streaming service, but if you want the sound of vinyl from a digital player, you need to play digital copies of vinyl. I've never heard digital sound like vinyl otherwise.
Best regards,
John Elison
... I'm running two turntables (and 3 reel-to-reel tape decks) at 87 with zero problems, insofar as eye/hand coordination is concerned. Not least, because all the "computer audio" I've heard from folks i know who used to favor analog sources sounds worse than their previous setups did. A minority viewpoint maybe, but pretty strongly held.
Keep the faith :-)
which can be a problem later. It requires a rock solid handling for a hand cueing especially for me, I do a lot of track skipping. ( why is it always my favourite track is the last tune on a record! ) This is why some folks opted for a Linn arm over the Naim ARO altho the factory offered a gadget called *AROmatic*. This was not an elegant solution. :/
I hope I make all the vinyl recording BEFORE I have to use one.
I think that a high res. digital might outdo vinyl ( or come pretty close to it albeit I've a feeling it's not gonna be cheap ). One good thing going for it is lack of feedback. It's inevitable when you play turntable, the airborne vibration transmits to a cartridge affecting the sound.
That said, I don't think I go totally digital cuz, I enjoy discovering new music and artists by picking up used records from local record shops.
Even a pain vanilla Red Book CD rips are getting better than before.
I removed my table and phone pre from the main system. They are now connected either directly to the Tascam DA-3000 or my headphone amp.
I plan to monitor via headphones for recording. My recording signal chain I see is TT--> Phono --> Preamp--> ADC
... until I deduced that there is a difference between AROmatic and aromatic.
I tend to play records all the way through, so have fewer needs for pinpoint cueing. I do tend to use the finger lift more than the cueing lever tho it's nice to know the latter is available. But either is a piece of cake compared to operation of a reel-to-reel deck, tape being the ultimate hair-shirt medium.
It's just one more things that can rattle under the TT and it requires an extra hole. What I understand is it can break easily. It sure looks like an afterthought/half-arsed effort to me.
R2R can sound very nice. ( especially the master tape! )
I see the format is coming back like vinyl.
Its a perquisite for us old dudes to cherish our "vintage" systems. I remember my granddad standing in the driveway, drinking a Ballantine beer, polishing the 6-ft. long hood of his '51 Pontiac Starlight-Eight. I got it; I have the analogous hi-fi and feel the same abiding satisfaction. Both performed beautifully every day, but God-- I wish I had that car!
I *get* this tactile experience of vinyl playback. I have the same Karajan/Geiseking Grieg Concerto LP released in 1951 in above pix. It's almost like holding a history in my hand 65 years later.
This, I think, is the main reason, more so than the sound itself, of recent vinyl resurgence amongst millennials. You do not get this special bond from playing files off iPad or laptop.
Agreed, it's like a slice of 1951
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I shudder to think what the Nagra ADC costs. (I said "high end," not HIGH end.)
at 5 grand.
Less costlier than 6 which came with many features I did not need at twice as much cost. The other AD I am interested in is Mytek. I like the sound of their DAC. so I reckon their AD should not be too bad. Altho, the last one I saw only did 24/96 tho. I am also fond of MSB but their DAC/ADC are in the range of 30K each. :/ way beyond my means.
My tip: Metrum Pavane with Sonore microRendu sounds better than MSB Analog DAC (and the Bricasti for that matter). Even with DSD material converted.
The thing about A-Ding a vinyl collection is not many want to do it twice. I sure as ---- don't. So that's that.
But the right choice of AD is critical. I am certainly it will a lot of trial an error to get a desired results. Going back and forth with actual LP playing. So the playback chain is also important, too to hear the result of recording itself.
Sounds like you've found your favourite DAC/AD.
Archiving a record is a huge undertaking all around. But once I find the right formula and process, shouldn't be too bad.
My technique was to carefully set input level ideally (to just avoid clipping) and I do NO processing to the files. (I want it to sound like playing a record - why would I process it?) Results indeed are incredibly good. There are probably better A-D converters, but the Korg at DSD128 is at least very good.
I've got an editing software but the learning curve of learning how to use it effectively is too steep.
I plan to record it with a linestage in a signal chain.
I also will compare the recording with 24/96 vs. DSD to see if the gain in a file size justifies or not.
Which Korg are you using?
I buy mostly used LPs. I process my recordings with RX. It does not diminish the result. I use a very mild declick and high pass filter at 20 hz. Why listen to noise if you don't need to?
I feel the digital versions I make equal or exceed in the case of reduced noise, the originals.
I've digitized all of my vinyl using a Tascam DA-3000. Initially, it was to make copies for the car. Now I have a music server and enjoy the convenience, however sometimes I play LPs I've previously recorded. I have multiple DACs. My favorite, an Audio Note 2.1 Signature, resides in my main system. An exaSound E12 is in my headphone system. I also use an old Tascam to stream Tidal.
Have you tried using your DA-3000 as a DAC? It can be configured from the menu to act as a DAC although it doesn't have a USB DAC input. However, I think it is one of the best sounding DACs I've ever heard and I used to have a $3200 April Music Eximus DP1 . My TASCAM DA-3000 sounds just as good to me. I use an April Music Stello U3 USB-to-S/PDIF link to connect my computer's USB output to the DA-3000. I'd be curious to know how your TASCAM DA-3000's DAC compares to some of your other DACs.
Thanks,
John Elison
I've used the DA-3000 for playback but I haven't tried to compare it to the others. For me it's difficult unless it's comparing short segments within seconds of hearing that which I'm comparing to. My favorite is the Audio Note. They all sound good.
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