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In Reply to: RE: Yikes!!! posted by spindoctor on October 18, 2016 at 15:02:00
THe records collide on their surfaces, the data is in the grooves. Why do you think some ugly looking records play quietly?
Yikes, indeed!
The problem with changers is as the OP has found, slippage. My advice would be go with the maximum discs needed to play half of an entire work, namely Opera: 3.
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Just let the guy enjoy the changer. I have two... a shitty Crosley one and a less shitty (but still shitty) BSR/McDonald.
Every Christmas I take them both out and stack them with 6 Christmas records and let them rip. A good time is had by all. The records are 40 years old or older most of them and have been in my collection for at least ten of those years. Each year they still sound great.
I put the Crosley outside in the Florida room because I don't have a system and it's a self contained unit. One day I will come across a VOM suitcase player that hasn't been destroyed and I will mothball the Crosley.
Lighten up Francis.
For decades people have glued felt squares on the label to prevent slipping. He is playing 45's by the way
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Thank you for the enlightenment. I haven't dared to remove the felt from the label as yet.
The problem with changers are far more numerous than just slippage. The VTA and subsequently the tracking force will vary widely between the first LP and the fourth (or God forbid, 8th), not to mention that the stylii and tonearms of players of this ilk are cheap and sloppy and almost always very poorly aligned. I agree that the LP's plopping onto one another are not much of a worry as you're doing far more significant damage as soon as the stylus hits the groove.
Not trying to be elitist here, just that it doesn't cost all that much to get a turntable rig that, at bare minimum, won't chew up the vinyl.
Use a conical stylus replace the needle often and track heavy. Most record ware is caused by a worn stylus.
Gerrard Tyoe A here. Rock on with your bad self!
Dave
No autochanger of the usual variety where the records end up stacked on the platter can work properly. Aside from the problem of slippage etc. each disc stacked on the one below alters the cartridge's vertical Tracking and and Stylus Rake Angles which results in distortion. It also changes the effective Vertical Tracking Force.
These are the main reasons why audiophiles do not use record changers.
Trust me, Dion never sounded bad with the lights turned down as #6 in a stack long before VTA was invented ;-)
I have records that were stacked and played on a changer (Dual 2019) back when it was a current product circa 1970. Those records still sound just fine with no damage whatsoever. There is a lot of angst about this subject that would be better spent worrying about something important.
I didn't mention anything about damage. However if you think that VTA or tracking force are not important, well you would be in a distinct minority on a page devoted to vinyl replay as part of an audiophile discusion forum.
In fact I am not very concerned about damage with record changers because most vinyl records of the era were manufactured with a raised outer lip and raised label area so that when two discs are stacked the playing surfaces do not touch each other.
VTA was not on anyone's radar screen in the 1970s, I doubt the term had even been invented until later. The change in tracking force is really not great as records stack up and usually could be compensated for by setting up for the maximum recommended force, which is still a good idea. The raised lip and label area only work if all the records are perfectly flat, otherwise the grooves can touch. In spite of all of these shortcomings, changers were popular and at least the better ones, even if less than optimal, caused no permanent harm. And some are still held in high regard. There is no reason to discourage people who want to stack their records on a changer. You don't do it, I don't do it, that is OK too. To each his or her own.
" VTA was not on anyone's radar screen in the 1970s, I doubt the term had even been invented until later"
Interesting point. Although I am not certain when the exact term became common, the concept behind it, or an approximation, was appreciated well before the 1970s. Examples of arms having provision to adjust VTA include the SME (designed 1958/9) and, I believe, early Ortofon arms. In fact I can remember adjusting arm height to ensure that the cartridge was correctly aligned in accordance with the instruction manual for my SME 3009 in 1969 or 70. Of course I was no early adopter so that instruction must have been in the manual for a period before.
Thorens designed the complex TDW224 record changer with a major intention of maintaining VTA (whether or not the precise phrase was in use). This turntable was introduced in 1962 so it is likely that the principle would have been known before then.
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