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I have spent some time with the Rega RB300 tonearm and it seems to sound dark and chunky....warm bass, smooth-ish highs, not the last word in detail or air, but I prefer a very lush and laid back sound with nice bass punch. Now I want to experiment with a long, 12" broadcast type tonearm. I'd prefer something newer or that is even still being manufactured such as the Jelco stuff, Tonearm Audio, Tri Art, etc. I would like the arm to cost under $1000 and preferably closer to $500-600. I have never heard a longer than standard tonearm in my system and I don't know where to start. What is the 12" tonearm that everyone complains is too warm sounding? I'll take that one.
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here you go make him an offer this is a great arm but remember buy the Isokinetik counterweight. You wont find another arm that can beat this one unless you spend 4 to 5K and them the law of diminishing returns will apply
The Nottingham 294 isnt particularly "dark" sounding, but it's anything but one to emphasize the high end.
I will go with the 12" Jelco 750 and the TTW VTA mod, you will be hard press to better that unless you are willing to spend thousands more. I have the 10" Jelco 750 with all the TTW modifications and the Jelco Rosewood head shell. It is superb arm. I will post some pictures of the arm tomorrow. Also buy the Isokinetic counter weight for the Jelco 750, I was stunt at the difference that counterweight made in my system it is worth every cents I paid for it and I can't say enough good things about Phil in Duo Phonic he was a pleasure to deal with.
Mr Blue Sky: "What is the 12" tonearm that everyone complains is too warm sounding? I'll take that one."
Amen! For once someone admitting liking a "colored" sound instead of the politically correct "neutral" bs! You go boy!
The 12" version of the Micro Seiki 505 might fit the bill. I had the standard length and it was dark.
See link below to earlier post .
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
If you are using a Stanton 380 cartridge, I wonder about that rather than your tonearm as the primary issue in achieving the sound you want. As I understand, this is an older cartridge. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
Sim
an arm being warm?? I know cables, and cartridges can be...turntables can lop the top end of a presentation and sound warm, but tonearm??
Within your price range, you might want to consider the 12-inch cherry wood tonearm chronically for sale on Audiogon. They are hand made to order, and the cost is under $300. I have heard this tonearm with good MM cartridges at Dave Pogue's house (Dopogue), and I think it would satisfy your taste. Dave likes it too. Other than that, within your price range, and if you are willing to bend your requirement for current production items, you might consider a Victor (aka JVC) UA7082. That's a very fine tonearm, which IMO would best a new Jelco. There's one for sale on eBay right now for $689.
Could you say more about UA7082? It seems very interesting, but there are very few comments on it. Have you heard it? What cartridges go well with it? Any particular type of sound?
highly underrated arms.
dee
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Try tone controls..
The arm cartridge should be as neutrial as possible,,,All music is not recorded the same,, Ue tone controls or eq to change the flaver of your music,,
I'm sure Penguin and I are on the same page as you. I was only recommending two very good 12-inch arms that are within the stated budget of "less than $1000". The "warmth" or lack of same will be a product of the tonearm/cartridge interaction, with some intrinsic contribution from each plus the contribution due to their interaction. In addition, turntable type may play a modest part; sometimes slightly off-speed tt's can sound "warm", to my ears. However, the OP is entitled to prefer a warm sound to a "neutral" sound. "Neutral" is in the ears and brain of the listener, IMO.
I was only commenting on JVC arms being good and not expensive.
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Do you suppose that changing over to a 12" tonearm will somehow help you get the sound you want?
Would a new and different cartridge be the cheaper and easier way to find that kind of sound? Grado, Koetsu, Nagoaka come to mind...
Which Nagoaka's do you like in particular?
I never used a Nagoaka, I've only heard about them. Actually, I've never heard of a cartridge that sounded "dark and robust" either. Based on what I've read, the Nagoakas are very "listenable" carts and are, at the very least, NOT the opposite of "dark and robust".
Edits: 05/21/15
although I assume it still tastes the same - in a 12 inch cup.
nt
Koetsu with coffee bean body?
Don't roast it though!
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