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Which it really is in many respects. From what I can gather, the Technics and the Pioneer are familiar bedfellows. On the surface they are almost the exact same deck. The Pioneer's layout will be extremely familiar to SL1200 fanatics. The rear is where the Pioneer 'improvements' are largely found (non-captive output and power terminals). And extra attention to arm, platter and plinth damping has been applied too.
It is also a higher torque motor on the new deck.
Apparently some corners have been cut internally, in areas which may not thrill those with DJ ambitions so much, but as a straight LP spinner, probably not such a big deal.
It has only been in place for 24 hours. I shall be posting a review once I am better acquainted with it's sonic capabilities.
Operationally, this is a delightful deck to set-up, play and live with. All the controls have a well-engineered feel to them, and the features on board are well thought-out (not to mention some of the head-scratching DJ features).
I have a 30 year history of using belt drive turntables with one exception (a Yamaha YP-D6). I have had some useful decks from every decade from the last six; A Pioneer PL12D, Sansui SR-313, Dual CS505-1, Michell Gryodec/Tabriz/DL-304, Michell GyrOrbe/QC PS/SME IV/MC30 Supreme, VPI Scout/JMW9/Rhondo Bronze.
When I heard about the PLX-1000 on this board a few days ago, curiosity got the better of me and I bought one. The SL-1200 has always been a great value direct drive turntable for DJs and audiophiles. The PLX-1000 came along at a time when I find myself less bothered by the apparent drawbacks of direct drives designs and keen to experiment.
Here's a pic of the 1000 with my SR-313 head-shell with a Goldring 1022. Michell Gyro clamp because it fits.
More to come..
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I just received mine three days ago. The unit is physically imposing and solidly built. It is actually a lot heavier than I thought at this price point. Set up was easy as you said. I installed an AT 150 MLX cartridge and I love the sound so far.I need to experiment with the cartridge position as I feel it is set too forward on the headshell. My only surprise was the TT cover is not attached to the unit. In other words, there are no hinges and the cover could fall to the floor if bumped inadvertently. The TT is still breaking in but i'm very happy with my purchase so far. Previous TT I owned JVC YP 66L, Yamaha and VPI ScoutMaster.
The Pioneer looks like a very good one for the budget audiophile, and probably a step up from the $400-500ish Rega, Project, MH offerings. In my search for a budget turntable, there is something unsettling about the entry offering that they offer, so my interest is peaked by the Pioneer. I wonder if the tooling is exactly the same as Technics so the same upgrade path is available?
I picked one up today. A substantial unit for sure. Setup was easy and I installed my Ortofon 2M Black.
I'm spinning Chris Issak, "Heart Shaped World" and Cowboy Junkies "The Trinity Session" to start. These two records always tell me a lot.
See ya. Dave
What are they saying?
They say there's a very good chance this deck will be replacing my Groovetracer upgraded Rega P3-24.
Time will tell.
See ya. Dave
...to a friend in Vegas in a couple of days. The Pioneer is more than just a horizontal move; it is a fair bit of an upgrade.This table will do me till I can afford moving up the food chain. I'd consider a Prime, but at close to $4k (and the fact I'd want to throw the Phoenix Engineering products on it), it's not in the cards today. Nor are the Pear Audio Blue tables I so liked at the shows last year.
I make a decent living, but money doesn't go as far as it used to. I did have to buck up to reality just a bit.
See ya. Dave
Edits: 02/27/15
...the "Rega Bump" today on startup. I guess old habits are hard to break! ;-)
I've got my PLX-1000 singing quite nicely. VTA took a good bit of fine tuning by ear, but I've got a nice sonic balance going now.
See ya. Dave
nt
See ya. Dave
...that's adjustable, which I didn't have on my Rega, but could shim. You can tell the difference tail up and down with this cart on the PLX-1000. Down the bass gets fat, up everything leans out. I'm working on dialing it in.I do wish I could put my Q-up on it, but there's no room.
See ya. Dave
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I sold an MMF-7 for a KAB'd SL-1200. Even though the Music Hall was adjustable for vta, it was a PIA and almost impossible to do precisely in small increments. I love the convenience of the Technics.
VTA is really critical on this table, at least here with this cart. A hair one way or the other and things don't sound right. I'm setting it by ear at this point, but shining a light behind it and looking through a magnifying glass looks similar to just beyond 90 degrees (as most seem to say 92 degrees is good). No digital microscope in house.
See ya. Dave
...Way Excellent II 3.4 (1/8"+) 280mm (11") mat today for the Pioneer. 11" keeps it just inside the metal periphery of the platter, as recommended by Herbies. The rubber mat that comes stock with the PLX-1000 is about 11-3/16" across and runs up on the metal periphery.
See ya. Dave
The 11" fits perfects within the periphery.
See ya. Dave
r
Does it have one? Hinged or 'lay on top of unit'?
"We are all in God's hands... and God is a malign thug."
-Mark Twain
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If this really is a worthy successor to the SL1200, then record collectors everywhere should be thankful that Pioneer has seen fit to produce it.
Given the right price, it should elbow its way into the mass consumer market just in time for the vinyl revival.
I'm looking forward to your evaluations of this player.
I've read the Herb Reichert review. Now, out on the street, what do actual owners think of it!
-Steve
I wonder how this player will affect the mythology of the SL1200, which by the way I own and like. However, the mythology goes that it was only possible to sell the SL1200 at a low price because Panasonic was able to spread out the development costs over a large market back when it was first introduced, and that it would be impossible to build a similar table today and sell it at a comparable low price. Does the PLX-1000 discredit this story? Did Pioneer really develop it from scratch or does this include a lot of technology that they had on the shelf?
in 1974, an SL1200 sold for about $212 in the shops around here. Factor in inflation and manufacturing increases, and it would be hard to do one for $800.
gary
Gary
But perhaps Pioneer has done it--though their table probably hasn't been out long enough to tell. Maybe low cost Chinese manufacturing is the key?
I still 'gak' at the thought of new vinyl costing $20-$35 and they are trying to sell one a Crosley turntable right next to the vinyl for $100-$200 range. It seems like such a bad way to ruin your precious vinyl. I rather buy a CD at that price, actually, two of them ;-)
I'm 47 years old and can vividly remember paying $8 to $11 for Cheap Trick, Journey, Styx, Bruce Springsteen, The Who, and many others between 1977 and 1984.
Adjusted for inflation $20 is a bargain today.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
> > It is also a higher torque motor on the new deck. < <
How different is the motor/bearing? Can you provide a picture?
This is the only picture I could find. Saved me pulling the platter off.
nt
Jerry's Records has one and Jerry let me play around with it.
I think the Hanpin decks are solid and excellent values. If I had to choose between a Rega P1 and a Hanpin turntable, I'd pick the Hanpin no doubt.
I think you'll enjoy your Pioneer. I'll bet it would be easy to swap tone arms if you want to go in that direction.
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If I was in the market for a NEW sub $1000 turntable today the PLX-1000 would probably find a home in my system. I think open minded vinyl LP listeners will like the performance to value a PLX-1000 may give.
The historic and long king of high performance to value direct drive turntables, the discontinued SL-1200MKII will be big shoes to fill. Pioneer PLX-1000 may not be a proper fill to these shoes but it wont be embarrassed either.
Just remember many an audiophile has been for many years led down the garden path to be biased against anything other than cottage branded turntables, especially direct driven ones. The belt drive push by many a stereo/hifi writer added/adds to this and well minds may be closed to what the PLX-1000 may give and for about $700 US.
I liked the looks of the SL-1200MKII and I like the looks of the PLX-1000.
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