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I personally have to say I use a nice carbon fiber brush and never noted any markings on the Lps so treated.
But some folks are claiming the Lps are damaged by using a carbon fiber brush. That they can 'see' microscratches on the Lps after use of a carbon fiber brush.
Just wondered what folks here think.
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Some folks worry way to much about things you don't need to worry to much about, it must be hell going through life being that anal !
who would gasp in horror if the paper sleeve left any marks on the vinyl are saying they don't care if a CF brush leaves any scratches.
That's how political audiophilia has become.
Doug
I see scratches from sleeves and my carbon brush all the time. They are easy to see under white LED light and even ordinary yellow light. If people don't see them it does not mean they are not there.That said, I have seen some disks are resistant to the scratching and others are easily scratched. There does not seem to be any hard and fast rule here either, though it seems the softer formulations used by Pallas have a greater tendancy to scratch than harder formulations used by Optimal and RTI, for example
In the end, I don't care about the scratches. My collection is worth ten cents to anyone else and I am never going to sell my records anyway. They are there to listen to - not to be admired in mint condition.
I am a music lover, not a record collector. Whilst I take exceptionally good care of my records and they are all visually flawed, this does not effect the sound in any way.
Edits: 05/12/12
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I've found it's easy to get microscratches with the Hunt. You just rub with light to moderate pressure in the dead wax area and look with a bright light. (The dead wax area is a good place to run tests on anything you rub a record with, as any scratches are easy to see.) That said, I doubt those tiny scratches would have any affect on record play. They are far too small to be picked up by a stylus. But I don't like the idea of putting any scratches on a record, audible or not. I cannot detect any scratches from the Audioquest brush.
Joe
PS: Perhaps I am overly sensitive about tiny scratches. I've worked for years in optics production, and we are always checking surfaces for scratches. The very fine ones are called "sleaks" in the optical business.
perhaps it makes a diff which one is used. i have an old RS brush that has more bristles than the recoton branded one i also have, neither leaves any scratches. i had heard this drivel before and never have seen any evidence supporting it.
maybe one of the respected magazines could actually do a controlled test that would either put this to rest or reveal which brushes to avoid.
...regards...tr
I think anytime you rub something (stop smirking, Elizabeth) it gets changed: scratched, burnished, de-lustred; whatever.
Something built to take a diamond stylus at thousand of Lbs./sq. inch pressure, tho', how is it going to be damaged simply by light brushing?
The true danger, I feel, and one I try to be careful about is not trapping debris between the brush (actually I use MoFi pads) and the record surface.
;D
Add this to the lexicon of crap file, along with only being allowed to play an LP once in 24 hours or that playing LP's mastered from digital originals will crack your turntable bearing.
nt
Isn't that supposed to be safer than a sapphire?
nt
Opus 104
I have seen the scratches myself. It looks like more of a haze on the vinyl the scratches are so fine.
But they are there.
then as far as I'm concerned, they do not exist.
Opus 104
You can see the hazy scratches in good lighting.
Doug
I have been using a CF brush for ten years or more before every play and if the record was bought new, it doesn't make noise. There is nothing else that can get that little bit of dust off everytime before you play than a CF brush.
but the scratches are there. I can't see marring good record surfaces.
And there is a better brush than CF brushes for removing dust anyway. The original Discwasher brushes (D3 and D4).
Doug
You can see much with a magnifying glass or microscope and determine if it's actual damage and what
that damage might be.
I seriously doubt a carbon fiber brush is going to cause any damage that can be seen with the naked eye,
and that any perceived damage is actual damage that might affect playback (or value for those concerned
with that aspect).
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The fibers are so small. That they could scratch the relatively soft vinyl and leave a permanent imprint is unlikely. Additionally, that a stylus even be able to read these scratches seems unlikely, too.
Edits: 05/08/12
Never seen any myself, but it's not like I tried to look with a microscope. It's important not to apply any addition pressure when using a carbon fiber brush.
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