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Yeah I knew it was going to be a bath, so for 150 decent Cds I got $110. cash.
(NOT like i PAID a lot for those Cds.. the average price I paid was $1 to $2 in the first place. So eighty cents is a decent resale amount. And considering the flood of Cds now in the market, I am suprised i got anything for them)
So the haul today:
(Not a full $110 as I have temporarily exhausted the local Jazz stocks.. Greedy child I am..)
So todays haul:
Freddy Hubbard: The Hub of Hubbard ( nice BASF copy)
Red Rodney (& Ira Sullivan): Sprint
Terje Rypdal: To be Continued (i have the other part too)
Terje Rypdal: Odessy
Les McCann: Layers
Dizzy Reece: Manhattan Project
And two minty replacement copies of Weather Report albums.. They were so nice looking and I knew my current copies wre all worn looking.. So i wasted a few bucks on Mysterious Traveller, and I sing the Body Electric..
Then I saw a Nautilus "diana" dirt cheap. (the place has no clue what a Nautilus LP is about. So I bought it ($3) even though I am not a big fan.
Silly of me.
I have to chill out and allow the local supplies of Jazz to replenish themselves... I do not want to fish the river dry! (if that makes sense)
Follow Ups:
local store is changing hands, and the old owner's stock is going at 60% off. Good jazz selection, couldn't resist.
___
The little old ladies wait in wild anticipation for the meetings of the Double-A-C-ASSN...
You know, you could have bought a kit of clock parts from a crafts store and turned every one of those CD's into cool little clocks!
Or, just place a CD in the microwave oven, turn it on for less than 5-seconds, and watch blue sparks ripple through the CD! It's kind of cool to watch but be prepared to shut off the microwave as soon as you see sparks. Ah, the aroma of smoked CD's is beautiful thing.
Did you at least rip the CDs to a digital library so you can still have the content and sell off the install discs?
If i wanted any of the stuff i am tossing.. I would just have KEPT IT.
The idea is to get rid of the crap, so i can better use the stuff i have.
Just keeping the crap (in a new form) is sort of self defeating.
Damn, Elizabeth... I LOVE YOU!
That's a common misconception, not surprisingly given aggressive lobbying by the recording industry who would certainly like to make such things illegal.
Making the copy is legal, and selling the original CD is legal. Selling the copy would likely be illegal.
That's one reason the recording industry no longer wants to sell CDs, or sell recordings at all in any format. Instead, they want to rent them out, i.e., sell limited licenses.
I agree anyone can make a legal copy of a CD one owns.
In fact i would allow a temporary loan of the copy for review by a friend.
What really gets sleazy is makingthe copy or putting it in your hard drive, then selling the legal Cd you own. At that point you no longer have any legal right to keep that copy.
The rights to the music are sold with the original copy and when you sell it, it's as if you never bought it. Otherwise, one CD could supply the world with legal copies as long as they sell it down the line.
That's a nice thought and all; but, it's completely wrong. You don't buy the rights to anything when you buy a CD. If you look closely you will see the wording, "All rights reserved." That means you have no rights to the intellectual property, period. No copyrights, no public performance rights, nothing. Therefore, you can't lose or sell what you do not have rights to in the first place. It has nothing to do with the physical medium you bought and paid for. You will then see, "Unauthorized duplication of this recording is prohibited by Federal law and is subject to criminal prosecution" or something similar and essentially saying the same thing. However, Fair Use means if you want to make a copy for yourself, go ahead... but, don't sell the copy, don't rent the copy, etc. Stay within those confines and you're 100% legal. And, if somewhere down the road you don't feel like owning the original anymore, guess what? That's right. You own the physical medium, you can sell the physical medium. It's that simple. There are no stipulations whatsoever about how long you can keep your copy nor any requirement for you to destroy your copy if you sell the original. All this about you losing the rights to retain the copy is pure fiction. Whether one likes it or not, that is not written or implied not to mention being completely unenforceable if it was. This is why the record industry (bullshit as it is) is pushing downloads (covered by all kinds of DRM) and going back to vinyl (much more laborious to pirate). As for the analogy of the plumber, that is a total crock. The plumber is selling you a service. You are buying his time and expertise. When you buy a CD you are not buying a service. You are not hiring a musician to play for you.And before we get too bent out of shape, I am a musician... who has recorded an album/CD... which is available as both a physical medium and a download many places online... and I don't give a crap about someone copying my CD and then selling the original. They paid the price of admission and the second buyer of the CD means more exposure for me. Maybe he'll come to a show or buy a t-shirt. ....no, this is plainly and simply about the big money grab. Those who benefit the most from more and more stifling piracy laws are not the musicians. It is the RIAA and other record industry folks who constantly seek new ways to milk those with real creative talents. They are just pissed that we don't have to swim in their pool any longer or abide by their rules, which were and are designed to keep them stoutly and healthily employed at the expensive of the artist. And, if we don't catch a clue pretty soon, all that fake stop piracy stuff will get SOPA and PIPA passed and then we'll all realize just how far up poop's creek we really are. :-)
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I don't care if you get paid either. You've convinced me ... the Plumber is providing a service. You are not.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
Edits: 03/24/12
Preach brother preach :-)
No disrespect to those on the completely opposite (wrong) side of the fence on this, but ... it's an entertaining read to be essentially labeled a P.O.S scumbag for not going above and beyond in contributing to the industry greed. Maybe they wouldnt be living under an overpass and collecting cans and bottles in order to be able to eat if they didnt line the pockets of those in power who champion the fight for their monetary plight :-P
I've said the same thing several times in this thread, but in far less colorful and entertaining language.
A beautiful and clearly wrought summary. Are you sure you're not a copyright lawyer?
and as the poster above says, there is a "fair use" principle built into the US copyright law. There is another principle also built into US copyright law that basically says, if you buy one copy you can sell one (and only one) copy. That doesn't mean you own any rights to the recording itself. You don't.
The misconception many people have, including people in this thread, is that making a copy for your own use (not for sale) somehow cancels or destroys your right to sell the original. The two are unrelated. That is, you may or may not have the right to make a copy (it could come under the fair use doctrine), but that has nothing to do with your right to sell the original.
Seems some grey area or loophole is what you seem to say: That if one makes a copy while in posession of a legally own disc, then one can keep the copy forever, regardless is one still has the bought disc/LP?
As far as the law would go, I would think you would have to proove youu did, in fact own a copy at one time..
Otherwise it is just like any bootleg copy.
nt
My take on the law is that you no longer have a legal copy if you sell the CD or record.
Back to you original post, I think it is a great idea that you have and I plan to follow your lead. The stuff that I don't think is sellable, I will donate. At lease somebody should enjoy it. I see lots of people buying records and CD's at the thrift store that I could not stand to listen to!
Dave
People have to be paid for their work. Otherwise ... why work.
I just had my shower Delta faucet fixed today ... I can just imagine telling the plumber that he should work for free ... so forget about me reaching for the checkbook. Right! That would go over real well.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
The lifespan of any popular media in a library is tragically short.
Most "urban" fiction loaned in the 'urban' parts of town typical of those books gets three circs and the paperback is trashed. (some borrowers get outraged when asked to pay for a book: they got wet, tore the cover off and taped it loosely back on, all the while curling the pages back around .. They can get billed because they were the FIRST PERSON to even read the book.. and then STILL say they did not do it.
Curious that the old fashioned 'romance' paperbacks last nearly forever, and can circulate fifty times or more easy.
Same for VHS cassettes, the can circ a hundred .. three hundred times easy.
(Of course it only takes one time to ruin it whether that is the 257th play, or the first)
Then all those really really expensive books libraries buy which not one soul EVER looks at. those are mostly in the big central libraries.
Then periodicals that cost $5,000. a year to subscribe to... And ONE GUY looks at it once a week. (Wall Street Transcript)
The Cds and DVDs can last about a dozen circulations and usually need to be cleaned up. After 30 times they are usually ready for the discards.
Amazingly some do last forever...
If you only knew how much total crap the Us Government publishes.. and has stored in libraires all around the country. (I guess in case of a nuclear war?)
Anyway they publish MOUNTAINS of useless drivel no one ever reads. And the Government Document cataloging system was designed to ensnare the best minds and turn them into wet noodles...
Try NAS24: SC17D64/042 p.153426 pt 9 (misplace a colon, semicolon, mix them, a dash or a slash, dude you might as well be in some other town.
Bureaucrats designed it so not mere mortal could ever find anything useful in them. Ever try to read through your home insurance papers? .. same thing.
Did I mention libraries???
Am I misunderstanding you here? You're saying people in urban areas treat books more poorly than non urban people. But do you mean urban as in "lives in a city", or are you using it euphemistically to mean black people( this is extremely common)?
Your juxtaposition with romance novels leads me to believe you actually are using "urban" to mean young and black.
Even if you really just mean people in cities vs suburbs or rural areas, do you seriously think that living in a city has some sort of influence on the way you treat books? It sounds absurd, just say it out loud.
My wife is a librarian in a nice northern suburb of Chicago. I'm sure she'd be happy to horrify you with stories of the way suburban people of all races treat books, media, and the library itself.
And what about me? I grew up in a town of five hundred people, but have lived in Chicago for the last ten years? Do I still take care of my books, or have I been urbanized?
business either IMHO. Books,video(s), DVD(s, CD(s) for education ... I'm all for it. For entertainment ... Not a good idea. People have to be paid for their work ... it's no more complicated than that.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
My wife is a librarian, and you're about to make my head explode.
But I'll try to remain calm and just ask if you seriously think you can differentiate between what is reading/listening for education and what's merely entertainment? Who would decide that one?
Do you really think that's a black and white issue? It's pretty clear to me that it's actually one gigantic gray area with absolutely zero pure black or pure white.
Why should one person's opinion (not shared by the public at large) cause your head to explode?How to differentiate between entertainment & education? Easy ... if their is a long waiting list for the item ... it's entertainment. Common sense could easily identify what's educational and what's entertainment. It would be challenging but not hardly impossible.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
Edits: 03/23/12
You must be having a laugh. If something is popular it is entertainment, if no one likes it, it's education?
If you want to know what unpopular library books look like, google "awful library books" and click on the first result. The results will be both entertaining and, by your definition, educational.
The reason my head is exploding is that you are wrong about something I care a great deal about. And you are so wrong about it that my head is spinning trying to figure out where to start arguing against what you've said. And because it matters to me a lot, I find it hard to bite my tongue. But from here on out, I will, because this is basically off-topic.
I don't think separating education from entertainment is anywhere near that easy.
I see many holds on books that are non-fiction and would hardly be called entertaining. Check out the waiting list for popular self-help books, especially dealing with health issues.
And why should that make any difference anyway? So it's okay for a non-fiction author to lose income?
It was such tawdry stuff. Disgusting.
But once libraries found out people wanted to read it, and the circ soared.. they had to carry it.
Same for media.
Well, the idea is, when you buy a CD, you buy the right to resell it -- once. Whether you should have the right to copy it while you still have it is a different and unrelated question.
Yes, I could put all my CDs on a hard drive or iPod and sell the originals. But the original CDs are my backup / archive copies. I would then have to pay for an alternate backup system. I suppose it's getting to the point where doing that isn't so expensive, but that only means the CD is becoming an obsolete inefficient technology.
No.
The idea is, when you buy a CD (or LP or whatever), you buy one license to own that CD or LP or whatever. If you sell that CD, you have sold your license to own that music. If you copy a CD, keep the copy, and sell the original, you have sold your license to own that CD, so the copy you kept (CD, hard drive, or whatever) is piracy.
Plain and simple.
If you choose to copy that CD for whatever personal purpose (back-up, use in your car, etc) that's fine. That's legal.....AS LONG AS you still own the license for personal use.
I understand your argument, but that isn't the law in the United States.
No disrespect intended but it's all about respect. I've copied loads of stuff just so I could hear it. Then you go out & buy it /order it because good work deserves custom. And a propper hi res format. And any sensible person wants a nice package and good quality sound.
Copied discs/ripped files are worthless.
You can make all the laws you want. What is required is education. There's gonna be a lot of sad people with no music when their hard drive full of ripped tunes goes 'pop'. Music (and the artists) deserve more respect. In about 10 years - everybody is going to realize this and start supporting artists (and good quality reproduction).
It's already started. We're at the forefront !
Best regards,
rr
Probably why I'm buying more CD(s) these days. I'm like the Grim Reaper of media formats.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
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Probably why I'm buying more CD(s) these days. I'm like the Grim Reaper of media formats.
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Millions of folks are ripping CDs to their hard drives & IPods and then dumping the "bulky" CDs at yard sales & thrifts. Prices are coming down. I'm definitely taking advantage. I'm in it for the music and I'm not some kind of 'analog snob' who hates digital.
Sure you've got to dig through hundreds/thousands of crap CDs to find interesting stuff, but it's out there.
Here's a recent find from a local thrift:
Really no reason to shout. All friends here.
Thats what most used to say about our LPs. Maybe someday we will post about our CD finds at the
thrift. :-)
Edits: 03/22/12
I doubt that, highly. ;-D
It does seem that they are easy to get. Just not so easy to tolerate. ;-)
A good DAC creates music that is close to a clean record and better than a middle of the road record.
CDs are the best way to get a digital file. Most downloads are lesser quality, unless you go to HD Tracks or something.
I think CDs are a great value and you can get them for nothing from CL.
But I do enjoy spinning records and have a good collection of Classical!!
Don Walker
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