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In Reply to: RE: Using capacitors across the AC posted by Tweaker456 on August 05, 2016 at 15:08:08
is where you should have started before doing the DAC. Power is the first place to start because the old Electronics saying is "crap in, crap out" actually the word was a little stronger than that. LOL! :)
Use good AC receptacles like Hubble or P&S. Then use the best AC plugs, with AC cables, and IEC plugs. If you haven't done that yet that is a good place to start before the AC tweak.
I then got a PS Audio Ultimate outlet which was another level up in sound and made the system more quiet and less harsh.
I did the Auricap tweak many years ago to my DIY preamp and on other gear and it was a big difference in sound. But, like anything else in tweaking It wasn't the best result in all situations.
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AC is worse than ever and continues to become noisier. More RFI and EMI in our homrs than ever. Hubbell and Pass and Seymour are the mid fi of outlets. Try a good Oyaide or Furutech AND their expensive covers. Well worth the money.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
extra cash. With the cables I make they are the best for the prices. I used Furutech male AC Plug and IEC plugs. After 150 hours of break in, I still wasn't happy with the results. I put the Hubbell HBL8215C plug on with Wattgate IEC. way better results. The Furutech and Oyaide plugs I bought later are just sitting in their boxes.One thing the Furutech does well is the grip on their IEC plugs. The best I have used.
This is just my opinion for cables and AC plugs in my system. Been there and done that with all types of plugs.
Edits: 08/06/16
I feel plugs dont make as big a difference after trying many up to $300 retail and making AC cables.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Sorry, read through your post too fast and missed that you were talking about outlets. I never tried the Furutech or Oyaide outlets. I'm happy with the Hubbell 8300 outlets but will maybe give the Furutech or Oyaide outlets a try just too see. Thanks
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Reviews the Hubbles along with 3 different Oyaide's. Inmate Norm commented he liked the Hubble 5362 the most until he heard the Oyaide R0. T
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I already tried both WITH the all important WPC-Z cover. I re oved the zHubbell and installed the Oyside. Hubbell not even in the same league. I had my wife listen without saying anything or reacting and she was as shocked as me. There are some things you can't go cheap on. Its now over $300 for the outlet and cover combo and still very well worth it. You won't know until YOU try. That review means nothing to me except I won't believe anything he says. I didnt see where he tried the cover. Hello! I also prefer the dark war!the of the SWO-XXX over the R1 and others.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Got them both for under $250.
house. But it shows at amazon it was delivered to my house. I have been home all day and no one came to the house except for the UPS guy with my tubes.
I even saw the Amazon truck go down the street and when I went out he had kept on going.
I just hope if it was delivered to a neighbor that they will bring it. We shall see!
Also, the Amazon customer service is no help. Got a person in the Philippines and they just kept repeating the same stuff like a parrot, they say to wait until Monday.
Relax, have a beer, listen to some music. Wait until Monday.
Edits: 08/12/16
Well Cougar, I'm chillin out, listening to music and drinking beer. Please don't ruin it by telling me how good they sound! Maybe just a tini weeni bit better than the Hubble's?
Cool. I hope it works and as I did and always do ordered from some place that has a return policy. Looking forward to your post. Clean the copper on the Romex when you install it.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Cougar, be very interested in your impressions once they come in. I have a good duplex outlet, but haven't taken the plunge into a cover. Slumming it with a plain 'ol oversize stainless cover. But I still sleep well at night knowing it's made out of 300 series stainless (non-magnetic). :)
You might try the Duster recommended Brainerd 126453 receptacle cover. Very good inexpensive tweak IMO. Others also like it a lot. I put Mortite in the groves that are on the back side. T
Thanks for that, Tweaker (and Duster!). Hadn't seen that post before.
I'm not ready to put the money into the Oyaide, at least yet. But $9 for the Brainerd? That I'll do. With my luck, it'll end being one of those "Oh crap" experiences and I'll then be ordering an Oyaide. :)
Just make sure that after you install it that you get a brass center screw for it next time your in a hardware store. Yuge upgrade. T
Be careful when you mount the R1 to the WPC-Z bracket. The 4 small screws for securing the R1 ground strap to the bracket should not be torqued too hard in order to avoid stripping the threads. Also, the carbon fiber faceplate may crack if the screw for the faceplate is tightened excessively.
No prob! I had Hubbell and they were cryoed and better than stock, but not a whole lot better. My system outlet is only six feet from my mains panel. Lucky me.
When I got the Oyaide and their expensive WPC-Z cover I bought it from a place that had a thirty day return policy. The first listen was a holy shit moment. If you can give them both a try I think youll be impressed.
The SWO-XXX is warmer than the R1, I have both. Not cheap but worth it IMO. Cheers!
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
earlier today and will see how this is compared to the Hubbell 8300 I have.
I recommend trying the Oyaide or Furutech AC connectors in your collection after you install the Oyaide R1 AC outlet. You might be very pleased to find great synergy with either or both of those brands when plugged-into the Oyaide R1, which I find to be a notably versatile AC outlet when mated with various Audio Grade AC connectors. Which Oyaide and Furutech models do you have, and what make/model AC power cable?
FI-11M Gold and the Oyaide (can't remember the model) but it's in a box somewhere.
I'm curious to know which Oyaide models you have...
P-037 Male AC plug. I was looking for it, I just need to find which box it is in.
If it's an authentic Oyaide P-037, then it might be okay, but with unpredictable synergy with the Oyaide R-1, IME. Try the Furutech Golds, instead.
once I receive my Oyaide R1 outlet. Hopefully I will have better results this time.
Got the caps for the AC maybe 20 years ago. Have had the Hubble receptacle for many years. Been using the P&S plugs for awhile and have recently switched to Sonarquest cu aluminum body plugs with a very nice result. The one pro made ac filter I have heard by itself hurt the sound. The person who had it bought caps to use across the ac. Very simple effective tweak. When caps were added to another pro made ac filter the improvement was considerable in that situation also. If not thought safe in large capacitive values with caps designed for ac but are not technically Type X one can get a Vishay 10uf Type X caps. Way larger than say .47uf and should quell any worry. In my opinion, as stated before larger values with this simple filter will sound better. One benefit that JR said of his digital filter was that because of the lower voltage between transformer you could use more capacitance. Tweaker
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