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In Reply to: RE: Model for Selenium Rectifier? posted by jerem69 on October 13, 2009 at 15:03:34
BTW, the reverse-biased condition would probably take some protection of the zeners. Perhaps placing schottky diodes in parallel with them in the opposite direction of the main rectifiers? Now that looks like a cluster-#$%@ on the schematic, but, try it and see! Good luck. Like I said, any others with ideas?
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I don't think that's necessary. It seems to me that in the reverse direction (which is the forward, usually unused direction for the zener) the zener would attempt to conduct, so it would have low forward resistance, and the silicon rectifier would have the bulk of the voltage drop. Does that sound correct or am I missing something?
In "looking" at the dynamics of reverse bias, the capacitance of the components may allow the zeners to see spikes which are far greater than their rated forward bias current. It should be transient, but.. When designing high-voltage power supplies, many years past, there weren't many options as far as high-voltage FETs. So we used to stack them in series. But, they had to be "balanced" with shunt capacitors to help evenly distribute the charge when they were switched open. I'm erring on the side of caution. I try to think of longevity when designing. On a side note, many folks replace selenium rectifiers with a simple series resistor/diode combination. I found this on the net: http://www.w3hwj.com/index_files/RBSelenium2.pdf
I had come across and read this article in my research, and it is the best single article I had seen. However, it advocates using a dropping resistor, and I'd like to use a circuit that better models the behavior (except failure modes!) of the original selenium rectifier.
Also in my research, I came across one article that said seleniums gradually increase their forward resistance for about a year (though the article didn't say whether that was under continuous use) then stabilize or plateau until they begin to fail. When you designed equipment using seleniums, did you design for initial conditions or for greater forward drop than the devices initially have?
I like your idea about a small capacitor in parallel with the zener.
What would you think of a series combination of silicon, zener, and resistor to most accurately model a selenium? What I'm after is an engineered drop in replacement that would require no thought on the part of the installer or consideration for the circuit. That sort of product is only possible if the replacement nearly exactly mimics the behavior of the original over the original's operating space of voltage and current.
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