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I'm looking into buying tweeters instead of regular speakers & a micro subwoofer that although is small still packs a powerful punch. I like grimey/grungey music which is why I want this setup. I hope y'all can help me out.
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you need to define what the midrange frequencies you want blocked out:
say nothing below 5K,
then find a crossover where the low pass output goes up to 5K,
then find a woofer that doesn't play about 300hz.
you do realize that most music is between 300 and 5000 hz. this
also means no vocals, no fundamentals, etc.
you can do this without a crossover, just find a tweeter that has
no output below 5K.
and hook it up to anything I guess. The nice thing is that you just want something that sounds really bad so it won't be hard to achieve.
https://www.parts-express.com/Search.aspx?keyword=harrison%20crossover&sitesearch=true
Nah I just want a setup that's unexpected & surprisingly good to you audiophiles. Also DAMN that's alot of parts!! I'll be searching for a PC crossover that won't blow out my Neo10's & Jamo Sub 800. I'm building a gaming PC at the same time so my speakers need to withstand mic-spam in the future.
... to music that is specifically grimy/grungy?
Or do you want to make more "regular" music grimy/grungy?
The usual idea is to *recreate* the artists rendition of grimy/grungy, is it not?
Anyways, I would just get regular old speakers, add an EQ, and suck out the mid-band as desired.
DJ's used to call the EQ setting you want the "Raggae Smile".
Hahahahaha! LOL!
And poignant.
:)
I get incredibly annoyed when someone asks an out of the box question and is presented with the typical "that's stupid you can't do it" responses.I'm surprised so many, who are really cool guys on here are doing that. Come on fellas, the guy is wanting to try out something that sounds insane but I'm going to assume he has his own reasons for doing it! I've certainly been there and although it often results in disaster, sometimes it's been a great success. Help the guy out.
RICHARD... RICHARDSON? RENEE?
I don't know that you want to go crazy spending the big bucks until you've tested the theory of your "NOMID" (trademarked) speakers.
My suggestion is to get some decent used speakers on craigslist or a thrift, three way speakers if you get lucky, and a used sub. Then just remove the midrange element by pulling the clips out of the back (usually you can take the cone out of the box by removing 4 screws and then it's easy to pull the spade lugs off the back of the midrage driver.) This way you're not trashing a speaker because after your experiment is done you can easily push the spade lugs back on.
The crossover in the speaker will route only the high and low to the remaining two drivers and you won't blow anything. Also you don't have to EQ anything out. The sub will filter anything higher than 80hz out anyway and the woofer in the speaker will handle stuff above 100 up to whatever the crossover allows through.
I think this approach will at least get you where you want to be without spending $900 on something you're not sure you're going to like. Later if it works you can build your custom speaker with high end components.
And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post pictures
Edits: 02/07/17 02/07/17
Thx so much for this!! I definitely don't wanna blow out my speakers! Also I don't have a receiver yet, what would you suggest for my tweeters only/compact subwoofer setup? Or do I really need 1 if i'm just using them for my computer?? Like is there a way to connect them to my computer without a receiver???
Not really. You need to amplify your audio signal. I haven't noticed where you live but I really think Craigslist is going to be your friend on this one. Find someone selling a cheap receiver (unless you already have one) and connect your computer to it. This whole experiment shouldn't cost more than $100 to put together. Best part is that if you don't destroy everything you can just sell the stuff again and get most or all of your money back.
And please let us know how it goes. :)
"I get incredibly annoyed when someone asks an out of the box question and is presented with the typical "that's stupid you can't do it" responses. "
That's all good, when the question is in the areas of art/advertising/creativity.
But the OP's post was about having a pair of speakers which make his music sound great ON THOSE SPEAKERS, and for recording to be played back on OTHER speakers. Clearly, the music will sound much different. Who doesn't get that?
You may want to re-read my post of February 4, 2017 at 07:17:45.
:)
I am with you. But sometimes it's good to find out for yourself.Telling the guy to cease and desist, and I know you're just trying to look out for him, isn't enough.
I think if he is able to get the setup built and is able to listen to it and THEN is able to take whatever he created and play it back on a friend's system and get some real world experience he will be the better for it.
LOL. He will probably find an old speaker that no one wants, you know, like an AR1 and some dusty old receiver that's so old it doesn't even have transistors. All for only $10!
And besides... who knows? Maybe in 2 years "The NoMid" (patent pending) speaker will be all the rage at the club. If it doesn't make sense then it's real rock and roll right?
Edits: 02/07/17
No offense, but this makes about as much sense as " I don't want any meat in my beef entrecôte".
Edits: 02/04/17
............the guy with the bicycle trailer? ;-)
Cheers,
SB
You will be better off with a set of these and EQ the midrange away rather than taking a subwoofer and trying to EQ the midrange in (won't work really)
no mids
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I don't want to seem rude but is this a serious question? What is proposed will sound so dark with all the mid frequencies absent. It will be squeal and grunt.
So if this is a real question, the answer is it won't work even for your tastes.
There's got to be a way with an equalizer to make the mid-range sounds come through the tweeters & micro subwoofer though right?
I really just want to play around with them by making grimey/grungey music & then see what it sounds like with a regular setup.
Edits: 02/01/17 02/01/17
No, it won't work. Sorry, but it just won't. Why not just clip the wires going to the mid-range driver?
I genuinely thought this was the best setup for listening to & creating dubstep & that it would work if the tweets & micro woofer were the most durable ones I could get. I would like to do what your suggesting & use Edp's speakers if those are my best option, where can I get them & how do I cut the wires to the midrange driver? Sorry for thinking like some kindve mad scientist.
My suggestion was kind of tounge in check. By sending mid range freqs to tweeter and sub, you'd be asking each of those drivers to try to reproduce sound way above and way below the frequencies which they are physically capable of. The resulting distortions of them trying to do what they cannot would not be a pretty thing. Furthermore, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest the artist(s) intended for the recording to include far more mid range sound than you might realize. By removing the mids artificially you're bastardizing the art, no?
Edits: 02/01/17
I was just trying to think outside the box when making & listening to dubstep. I guess I'll just find some movie quality B&W speakers & a Definitive Technology subwoofer. Those were the best sounding at Best Buy when I played this Gorillaz Dubstep playlist yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR9zWPprqKFswyTeVkeBFA2YhLvLVFRr_
So let's say this sub + tweeter arrangement sounds good to you when you listen to your dubstep creations through it, because the bass and treble are over-emphasized.
Now what happens when your music is played back through a normal system? The bass and treble will be much weaker, so it won't sound like you intended when you mixed it on your sub + tweeter system.
If you want your music to sound the way you intend on systems other than your own, you need to mix on a system with a fairly neutral or "flat" response. Of course you will want that system to have sufficient capability in the bass and treble region, but you get that by having sufficient output capability in your monitor system and then EQing your mix so that it sounds right to you. Mixing on monitors that have a baked-in over-emphasis in the highs and lows will result in JUST THE OPPOSITE when played back through a normal system.
So you want monitors that are flat with a lot of bandwidth (they go deep enough and high enough), and that have a lot of SPL capability (so that they survive what you will be putting into them).
You might want to check out the forums at gearslutz.com, link below.
I'm not a recording engineer, but I have designed and built custom monitors for award-winning studios.
Duke
Me being a dealer makes you leery?? It gets worse... I'm a manufacturer too.
I know you don't agree with my what I want my setup to be for listening to & making grimey/grungey music but i'd still like to try & see if it works. I narrowed down what I think I need to 3 tweeters & 6 compact subwoofers. Can I get your professional opinion on which ones I should get??
Here are the tweeters-
Dayton Audio AMTPRO-4 Air Motion Transformer 4 Ohm
Bohlender Graebener Neo10 Planar Transducer
Aurum Cantus G1 Ribbon
& here are the compact subwoofers-
Jamo Sub 800
Niles Audio SW6.5
Cambridge Minx x201
Sunfire Atmos XT
Velodyne MicroVee
PSB SubSeries 125
I'm not trying to tell you what to listen to for your own enjoyment.
What I'm trying to tell you is that, in my opinion, the system you've described is the wrong tool for making recordings for other people to listen to on their systems.
And I really don't have a professional opinion about which wrong tool for making recordings would be best.
So, here is my non-professional opinion, strictly in the spirit of "try it and see if it works", without overspending:
The Dayton Audio tweeter, and the least expensive subwoofer that goes up to at least 200 Hz.
You might also consider the Parts Express 8" subwoofer kit, it's pretty good bang for the buck. But you gotta paint the unfinished MDF enclosure when you're done, because raw MDF is actually not an impenetrable barrier to high pressure air.
Duke
Me being a dealer makes you leery?? It gets worse... I'm a manufacturer too.
I took your advice & decided to go with the Jamo Sub 800 that goes up to 200 Hz & the Bohlender Graebener Neo10 Planar Transducers which are tweeters with mid-range so my music may actually sound how I want it to when testing it out on regular speakers. Also their gonna be taller than my subwoofer (OLOLAWLULZXD)
It's not too pricey either because it's gonna be under $1000 at just $849.75
Edits: 02/04/17
"I took your advice"
To be clear, Duke didn't actually advise you to buy these things or to go in this direction with regard to speakers, he merely offered thoughts on which drivers might be the better ones in your misguided speaker design approach. Don't be surprised, nor blame Duke, if you blow out the tweeters.
Your right, I should have given all the credit to SpotcheckBilly12345
So I was correct, you ARE related to the bicycle trailer guy!
SB
"I really don't have a professional opinion about which wrong tool for making recordings would be best."Hahahahaha! - That's excellent!
To the OP: Creating and listening live to a "special effects" work while it is being created and performed is entirely different than recording said work and having it played back on other systems. This is like what some "avant garde" composers started doing many decades ago, such as "prepared piano" or using other traditional musical instruments to produce non-traditional sounds. I was fortunate to study and create such music under the guidance of the late Swiss composer Rainer Boesch, who himself had been a student of Olivier Messiaen and was of the Paris school of musique concrete (look it up).
So, if you want to create some dubstep or grunge music and have it sound a certain way on YOUR system, great. But, if you want to record it and have it played back on OTHER peoples' systems, then it won't sound the same, because their systems will likely be more-or-less "normal" hifi systems. So, if you want your music to sound "grungey" on other systems, you have to have a normal system for recording/monitoring/mixing in order to hear what the music will sound like on other peoples' systems. Comprende?
:)
Edits: 02/04/17
The infinity 1001A had a paper cone tweeter, a nice 12 inch woofer and a simple crossover. It worked pretty good.
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