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Im needing advice to make a decision on speakers
Im in between the cardeas C20 s and the Dynadio
X44
i fell in love with X38 at an audition , then decided to wait hearing an improved X 44 was near
So far no real x44 user reviews i can find tho
Apparently they are set to rock my world and fill my home with life changing audio :)-
Then a lil bird told me ( a dynadio dealer ) that comapred in the hi end , the C20s were twice the performers than anything in the excite line ( and maybe the Focus line , my head started buzzing right there , and i missed the next line lol )
But the caveat was a much lesser bass performer was the C20s
i love my bass , but wont sacrifice dynamics/imaging etc for bass
im thinking bass can be supplemented , hi end cannot
im led to believe i can simply add a sub ( a decent sub like Dynaudios sub-ii ) and i will have solved the lack of bass i love or would love in the X 44s
im told i can have the best of both worlds
i have not heard of kudos before days ago , i ve recently , many months ago had never heard of Dynaudio , until the X38s seduced me
i cant explain my lust for the Dyn X 44s w/out hearing them
im beng illogical it seems
They are seductive to look at and i would love to say i own a pair
i wont buy them for being more sexy than the c20s tho in appearance
The C20s are nowhere as eye appealing as X 44s
But were audiophiles , we use our ears to make decisions
Please give me some advice
Cheers
PS my amp is Simaudio 220i im told it can power each quite well
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Have you listened to the Kudos? From what I've heard, they are leaner sounding than Dynaudio. Faster, more agile. But comparatively lacking in weight and scale. I haven't heard them for myself, but based on comments I've read I think you might need a warmer sounding amp for the Kudos.
Kudos C20 has a better tweeter than the Excite. I've heard the same Seas tweeter in a few different speakers and it is very detailed. Is it better than the Focus tweeter? Maybe. The tweeter in the Focus line (except the 380) is smoother and probably easier to listen to for long periods and is detailed enough for me, but maybe not as detailed as the Kudos tweeter. The next level up Dynaudio Esotar2 tweeter is better IMO, giving a similar level of detail as the top line Seas and sounding more relaxed and refined, but it's in a different price category (Focus 380, Contour S5.4, Confidence series).
Adding a subwoofer to the Kudos C20 WILL NOT give you the same bass performance as the Excite X44. Not by a long shot. Because the subwoofer will only be supplanting the bottom octave where the Kudos rolls off. Over the rest of the bass range, the X44 should be far superior, with a particularly big difference in bass dynamics and impact. Most Dynaudio speakers are also good in the upper bass and have a full lower midrange which provides a large scale sound.
However, I suspect the Dynaudios will be fussier about room placement. The X44s could sound bloated in the bass if they're used in a small room or close to the wall. If you have a medium to large size room and can place the X44s away from room boundaries I think you will really enjoy their bass performance. If you have a smaller room, the X34 might be a better match.
BTW, did you know you can still buy the Focus series new? There is a US dealer, Dedicated Audio, who is clearing out the remaining stock and authorized to sell online. I'm not sure whether they will ship to Canada, but if so you should consider it. I own Focus 160s and Confidence C2s and in my opinion the Focus sound is not far off the Confidence, a little less resolution and clarity but equally enjoyable.
Good afternoonThe decision seemed final , in X44 favour
Until i was notified the Focus 260 may still be available as you
suggested . Not sure yet
How would that change the scenario ?
How much better , and in what ways , if any , would the 260s be compared
to the X44 ?
Or vice versa
In my ignorance i assume newer speaker , more expensive , newer tech
So may be better
But focus is the line above
Now im just confused lol
i ve been suggested to that the 260s will outperform the X44s on hi end
and or maybe an improved tweeter in 260 ? But definitely less bass/low end
What attracted me to x44s w/out hearing them was i liked the hi end of x38s and was led to believe the x44s was all that with heavier bass
Would the 260s improve on hi end and equal low end of x44s ?
Again
Cheers
Edits: 05/03/16
The second generation Focus series (160, 260, 360, 380) were definitely better than the old Excite series. In fact, they were on the same level as Contour, albeit with plainer aesthetics. I thought Dynaudio was going to discontinue the Contour, so they surprised me when they discontinued the Focus instead. With the Focus gone, and the new Emit being introduced, Dynaudio has been improving the Excite range to be closer to the Focus without challenging the Contour. For example, the X18 combines the Excite tweeter with the midwoofer from the Focus 160.
I have listened to the Focus 260, but not the new X44. So I can't give you a direct comparison between the two. But generally speaking, Focus is superior to Excite in transparency, soundstaging, smoothness and refinement. Maybe a little more warmth too. I suspect those differences will be less with the X18 and X44 than the older Excite models, but I would still think the Focus 260 would be better than the X44 except in bass and dynamics.
I think the Focus 260 has excellent bass which is tight and well defined. They could be close to full range in a smaller room, due to room gain, but in a larger room they roll off around 30-35 Hz. They really don't need a sub unless your room has a bass suckout. The X44 will have more bass and deeper bass. I've read that it's designed to fill a larger room, or be a real rocker's speaker in a smaller room. I don't know how big your room is and how far away from the walls you can place the speakers, but if you have enough room for them you will probably appreciate the extra bass. If placed in a small room or too close to room boundaries, the X44 might have too much. One other point in favor of the X44s is that they should be slightly easier to drive.
Good eve
I ve been away from home for a few years caring for my dad
i m home now , and have un packed my speakers ( Tannoy NFM 8s)
And cant remember for the life of me how the speaker wiring goes
Theres 3 posts on each ( one speaker is missing black post tho . UGH )
Red , yellow , black ( there use to be a small plate that would bridge between
yellow and red ? . It seems gone now )
Since im missing the black post on one , i ran red wire to red post , white wire
to yellow post.
Is this correct ? I would normally do red to red , white to black , but im
missing black post on one speaker .
Is there some where i can buy a black post for the one gone awol ?
I think they just screw in ?
These speakers have to last me a number of months , as ive put a down
payment on a pair of dynaudio focus 340s
Can some one please guide me on this and give me advice ?
Cheers
Thanks Dave
That was an informed detailed reply
Just what i was looking for
Nope , never heard Kudos ( never heard of them till days ago )
When you say leaner , is that a plus or minus ?
im thinking a minus , meaning not alota low end ?
What you said about adding a sub for bass supplement really impacted
me most in all you said
My thinking was 2xs hi end ( if thats true in C20s to x44s ) cant
be supplemented , but a bass can. you made me re think that proper
bass cant be supplemented either
i love soundstage/imaging and special attention to detail , but w/out
bottom end id never be happy
"Bottom end makes the rokkin world go round " :)-
im guessing the X44s wont be a slouch on hi end atall ?
For the dinero , it best not be
When you say " Faster, more agile. " i ve heard that used before
but never understood "faster" in a speaker
What difference would i hear in "faster" between x 44s and c20s ?
im un sure , but leaning to X44s
You mentioned focus still being available . ill look into that
In mean time an acquaintance of mine has/had 260s for sale , near
new , i think for 3700.00 canadian . He may have flogged them by now tho
Can i solicit your input on those compared to X 44s , as detailed as you
explained the C20 scenario ?
Price is way tempting on 260s , but price aside how would you compare
them ?
i cant explain my yearning for x44s which i ve never heard ( except i
heard x38s and if its true x44s have improved , that may explain alot)
When you say leaner , is that a plus or minus ?
im thinking a minus , meaning not alota low end ?
Could be a plus or minus. It really depends on your priorities & preferences in sound reproduction, your associated equipment, preferred music, and to some extent your room. If you're considering the Kudos, you definitely should try them out with your Simaudio amp before you purchase. I have a Simaudio Titan driving my C2s and a Simaudio W-5 LE driving the Focus 160s, so I know that Simaudio + Dynaudio works. The only caveat is that the 220i might not control the X44s in the bass as well as a beefier amp, but it should still sound good.
To explain a little bit what I meant by faster, there are two things I had in mind: First, it's the perception that the music is in a faster time. Of course, the reality is that it's not, but it can be perceived that way. Second, it refers to the attack of notes being more immediate, and the notes decaying at the rate captured on the recording without the speakers adding any extra sustain/decay.
I recently sold a pair of Wilson Benesch Vertex speakers which had a lean and very fast sound that I really enjoyed a lot with certain types of music e.g. fast jazz, fusion, electronic, especially psytrance, or anything with a lot of notes or complex rhythms. But they weren't so good for rock or classical music, which benefit from a fuller sound in the upper bass and lower midrange. The bass lines which underpin most rock recordings were under-represented, mainly in the harmonics. Lower register piano was missing some of its inherent richness and fullness. And listening to a symphony lacked weight and scale.
Some examples at the other end of the "speed" spectrum are Audio Notes and Harbeths, which have more of a liquid sound with longer decays, where notes transition from one into the other, providing more of a sense of musical flow. They do well for vocals, piano, minimalist jazz and most solo instruments, chamber music, romantic music. But in my listening experience, these types of speakers don't handle fast, complex, or polyrhythmic music very well.
Most Dynaudio speakers I've heard are somewhere in the middle. Some models are a little tipped up in the treble, e.g. Special 25 and Sapphire. And some models are a bit heavy in the bass, e.g. the Consequence, Contour S5.4 and S1.4. But they're all relatively even handed with different types of music.
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