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"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
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Can anyone identify the speakers in the first and fourth pictures. Like the shapes and would like to read about them.
Thanks,
Dave
well, the first pic could have been taken in a G.I.Lab in a hospital.
...regards...tr
Anyway you could identify the first and fourth pictures for me?
Dave
NT
I'm sorry, but those are truly frightening. I can only imagine coming down to have a late night snack and seeing those lurking in the corners of the room.
demonstrated by Brooks Berdan the man, but not really on demo. they were playing and i was interested. the music was some Dead Can Dance (don't remember which) and they were intriguing.
being a Jadis dealer, it may have been part of some business agreement. certainly their amps are wondrous when driving Watt Puppies.
...regards...tr
of this:
Stingray egg cases.
Haven't thought about these since the old days at the marine biology labs.
Right at home in Fritz Lang's Metropolis, or Dr. Caligari's cabinet.
"Carbon based life forms detected. EX-terminate. EX-terminate."
Do they come in Olive Drab, or Camouflage, to enhance the Army truck look?
They remind me of the medieval executioner...or the Grand Wizard of KKK.
Like... what they were thinking?
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
You don't wanna be near THESE when they're hungry.
nt
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
Custom made for the Pillsbury Doughboy.
Eldragon- so much truth in your quote at the bottom of your signature line.
Thanks man - read some short stories by Bukowski,(tales of Ordinary madness, factotum etc...) I think you'll like it :)
I see you are in Alabama. We are neighbors, I am in Mississippi. Are you just stationed there?
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
Hello neighbor! I lived in Biloxi for a number of years pre-Katrina.
Vegas transplant, Maybe, I will be moving to Mobile...
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
Very nice- Eldragon. We need more audiophiles here in Bama.
Laughing...
Many products are primarily appearance based designs, in loudspeakers, acoustic principals are inconvenient in that regard.
I remember way back I was at Soundhounds in Victoria - Soundhounds has been in business for 40+ years and have sold virtually everything high end over the years. And they admittedly sell popular speakers that they personally don't love because - well most people shop with their eyes. Terry, the owner, noted that a good 90% of people walk through the doors knowing what they want, rarely ask any questions (after all dealers are often cited as used car dealers and many are) so it's understandable I suppose that people don;t ask questions. They never hard sell because they carry enough choice that generally there is something for someone.
Looks sell and wife acceptance factor and all that sells which is why people with 4000 square foot homes in Canada are buying tiny ass dynamically inept bullshit speakers that look cute versus here in Asia - where men (the king of the household) have Tannoy Westminsters stuffed into 600 square foot apartments whether the wife bloody well likes it or not. They sound vastly better than tiny ass little speakers with 4 inch woofers (isobaric chambers or transmission lines or not) and even in the tiny room. The poor western guy has to convince himself that his tiny ass sexy looking pile of unlistenable caca sounds great to appease the missus. Always get your dream speakers before you get married and put it in the pre-nup that you get to buy real speakers.
I digress - I was in Soundhounds essentially to buy the B&W's being a B&W owner myself at that time. Vivid is just B&W 2.0.
And when the play button gets pushed the B&W's were utterly trounced by the stores various FATTY old school loudspeakers the dealer carried/carries. At that time it was the AN E but they have added FATTY brands like Harbeth and DeVore and Quad. Any music, All music, regardless of recording quality - the B&W's were so outclassed and so obviously outclassed I was scratching my head.
Umm why is the sexy looking drop dead gorgeous speaker sucking lemons at $24,000 and why is the horrid sounding treble actually being advertised so heavily. I suppose if they advertise the absolute WORST sounding trait the speaker possess as being "Good" makes a lot of sense. What's old is new and what's bad is good or something. I admit it worked on me for a number of years as well - until I stopped salivating over the measurements and pouring through THD numbers and frequency plots and actually bothered to listen to music close my eyes and evaluate solely the recording being played back.
I love reading about the technology of some of these speakers and the sometimes large amounts of effort to blather on in detail about the techno-wizardy of defraction reduction, distortion reduction, resonance control and all sorts of things. It was cool when I was 20 - it's kind of like the car guys who go on about torque and horsepower and I suppose it would all have some sort of merit until you actually drive the actual car and drop the needle/push play and listen to the speakers.
Soundhounds carries a bunch of FATTY speakers and a bunch or Fashion Model speakers - and ALL of the FATTIES - Every one of them sounds VASTLY better than the Fashion Model speakers. Substance over flash.
I my like my women Slim and Sexy but I like my speakers Fat and Ugly (and preferably rich, efficient, and sensitive).
Devore is a Fatty brand? Are you only taking into account the Orangutans? I own the Nines and had the 3xls in the past and they are both compact.
Hello,
Actually, square and rectangular boxes are acoustically a nightmare. If you look at the shape of B&W's Nautilus and Vivid's Giya series, they're designed considering acoustics first -- flowing, smooth surfaces make for an unobstructed wavelaunch.
Doug Schneider
www.SoundStage.com
It's easier to predict or model the effects of diffraction if you're working with a flat baffle with a regular shape. In that sense, a rectangular baffle shape can be a good choice.
Actually, not so much. Probably the one main thing is to minimize the effect of the box "edges", which can be done easily.
At low frequencncies, building the speaker into the wall can be VERY useful.
:)
Hi,
Yes, it's pretty easy to round the corner on a box, and on a basic loudspeaker it does without saying that such simple things should be done. But when the products cost as much as many of them do, then there is so much more than can and should be done -- with a healthy budget, there are good reasons to move away from traditional boxes.
Doug Schneider
www.SoundStage.com
Well they can be a problem, depending on the acoustic size and what aspect you speak of. One can ignore what happens to the sound once it leaves the radiator or deal with it intentionally. What I was talking about is acoustical engineering and not what something looks like or in this case if it looks "right" as the behavior of sound is often counter intuitive..
For example, taking a bass horn and filling in the corners and bends to make it look aerodynamic usually harms the efficiency and low cutoff both (if one measures the with and without condition carefully).
By wavelaunch, I take it you mean something about the directivity or 3d spherical balloon pattern but I rarely see any of that kind of information for hifi speakers.
Don't get me wrong, I love what I will call hifi, what was hifi my hobby 30 years ago and the pursuit of good sound in fact "faithful to the input signal" sound. It's just that SO much of what I see in this area now is based on what people expect or focused on one nuance at the expense of much else.
No wonder the area is in doldrums.
Doug, I noticed your connection and punched in your web site and have a couple thoughts.
In he beginning of our company 11 years ago, we were making a different kind of speaker, not for hifi but commercial sound with the intention of large scale hifi.
An old hifi reviewer friend once said "there are speakers that sound good and speakers that go loud but none that do both" so for commercial sound that was the target.
Once you get to a certain point, anything you change will cause a slightly different set of measurements and will usually sound a little different. The issue was that often one recording might sound better, another worse. Which way to go?
In the old days a generation loss test was often used to listen to recording tape, electronics etc. The idea being the better the tape, the more generations it could undergo before being unlistenable.
We did this with a small tower and measurement mic and loudspeakers, with the thought being the more faithful it was to the signal, the more generations it would go. Here we used a 24/96 recorder and at first did a gen loss recording of the music looped back but that effect was negligible.
If you have the gear to do this, set up a loudspeaker mid room and put a measurement grade mic in front of it. Monitor the mic with good closed back headphones, wear them for a bit first getting used to room noises and other peoples voices (establishing a base line for your level and realism). Now play some music through one speaker and revelation one is how most loudspeakers sound once you remove the action of our 3d hearing process which seeks acoustic information and discards problems.
While any other part of the chain can undergo many generations before significant degradation, some loudspeakers often sound bad / colored just listening to them via measurement mic, few are acceptable after 3 generations. Loudspeakers do so much to the signal.
It had been our intention to have these recordings on our website as we also did them for a few of our competitors but never got around to that. Since being "signal faithful" is often desirable and if one listens to existing recordings one is evaluating that as well, the Gen loss recordings are a way to hear what is wrong because only what is wrong accumulates into the caricature, what is faithful is unaltered.
Maybe this would be a way to fine tune loudspeaker reviews as each generation provides a much clearer sonic snapshot of what isn't right making it easier to describe and then here are the number of generations it can do.
Also If you play pink noise and move the mic around the speaker slowly, you can hear interference patterns, revelation two is to a degree we can hear how a loudspeaker radiates. That is why some speakers disappear as sources producing a mono phantom while others stand out as a right and left source or make a wall type phantom image.
Naturally your room will be part of all this just as it is when listening to music but if working on the loudspeaker itself, a tower outdoors on a quiet day reveals just the loudspeaker (the part you can address /modify)
Best,
Tom Danley
Danley Sound Labs
Man those things are fugly!
Other than that, I thought they look freshly out of the box designs...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
imagine a pack of those chasing you down a dark alley...
nt
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"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
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