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I have the ADS L710 speakers. They sounds very nice to me. Once in a while Rogers LS3/5A speakers are mentioned. How are these different or better?
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Years ago I had ADS 810's and I thought they were a very nice speaker. I also had the KEF 103's that was also very nice. I then replaced them with the KEF 101 a small LS3/5A type monitor (better than both). The Rogers was one in five companies that made the LS3/5a ,KEF,Harbeth,Spendor,Chartwell and Rogers, under licence from the BBC using KEF drivers. If you want to hear what I think is the best type of that speaker check out the more modern Harbeth P3ESR,which I have now and I think are outstanding with none of the pitfalls of an older speaker. BTW the Spendor 3/5 is another great version of that type of speaker. A simple two way sealed monitor is my preference with these types of speakers.
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In about 1980, while living in Anchorage, I listened to the ADS 710Ls, to the 810Ls, and to the Rogers LS3/5A with a subwoofer. I liked the Rogers with a subwoofer the best -- beautiful sound and imaging. I remember that they just seemed to disappear, and music filled the room. My next choice was the 810s. But money was a big concern, and I bought the 710s, which I enjoyed for many years until trading them in for some Harbeths. The comments about the ADS speakers being more full range than the Rogers are correct, but try to listen to the Rogers with a subwoofer, if you can.
...preferred the ADS.
The LS3/5a needs to be crossed over so high I could always tell where the subwoofer was and it was distracting. I think with a pair of subwoofers I would have liked them better.
The ADS and the Rogers are like apples and oranges. Ideally I'd own them both, in separate rooms, for different music, to suit my mood.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I had a pair of Braun 810s, precursors of the similar ADS model, and a pair of Rogers LS3/5As. Although the Rogers had a very nice midrange and amazing sound for their size, the Brauns were a full range speaker and much more satisfying over the long haul. I am not familiar with the ADS 710s but, if they are anything like the Braun 810, I would not replace them with the LS3/5A.
Terry
the human voice. Only the old Quads have so impressed me in that regard (and my Stax and Koss electrostatic headphones…).
I have had several A/D/S loudspeaker models; they are very well balanced, have plenty of bass for their respective sizes. As others mentioned, the LS series wasn't meant to be a full-range or even approach it.
If you're interested in small ensemble music, they cannot be beat, imo. If you enjoy opera, don't expect them to reproduce very well much of the lower register or to do very well w/the more complex passages (symphonic music, too): the arias and duets, however, are altogether another story.
I gave away, to my best friend, my Chartwells about thirty years ago. He still has and enjoys them. He isn't at all an audiophile, has not much discernment, but I just can't bring myself to offer to take them back….
I've heard some of the smaller Harbeths sound very close; I may go there in the future, though my little Tannoy Cadets are extremely similar in their virtues.
still wondering which you think sounds better? I have some KEF 103.2's also, but I am guessing either of these speakers sound better...
I worked in a hi-end shop back in the day, and we carried ADS, Rogers, and KEF among others. I truly loved the KEF 103.2s, they were fantastic speakers. Their imaging and rendition of female vocals were astonishing. A good subwoofer would have helped for the last octave, but was not a requirement unless you're a pipe organ freak.
Actually, ALL of these speakers are very good. For nearfield listening and in smaller rooms, I preferred the Rogers or the KEFs. However, in your typical home environment, the ADS 710s were exceptional performers.
If I had to choose among them, I think I'd go with the 710s, followed by the 103.2s and then the Rogers.
-RW-
...I remember first hearing the LS3/5As in about 1978.
It was a small two-way bookshelf speaker on stands.
The sounded musical, had more bass than you might expect and imaged like crazy.
A friend has a pair of the ADS L710s which were handed down from another audiophile friend.
They are about twice as big, a 3-way design with two woofers so there is much more bass.
Depends on what you want - they are both well regarded although the LS3/5As are considered classics and probably more pricey today.
Actually the LS3/5a sounded like it had a lot more bass than it did thanks to a Q of about 1.1; it actually dropped at least about 1 1/2 bass octaves. But some brilliant BBC work hid this. Like a lot of us Iowned a pair and until I learned better thought they had much more bass than they did.
...if I recall, the FR showed a rise in the midbass.
Correct, from the under damped bass loading. If they hadn't done that the speaker would have been too bass lean to use. If I recall the original WATT was a well damped design and the main complaint was the lack of bass that 1st lead to the Beard bass to augment the bass from the WATT itself and then, of course, the Puppy woofer system.
I have no idea, but your speakers are likely 30 or so years old. Electrolytic capacitors dry out over time. I suspect your speakers would sound much better if you replaced the old caps. Since you are still happy with them I'd try to either use the same brand of capacitors, or some very much like them. One thing I do understand about the LS3 type speakers are that they are near field. So if you listen up close you might like them, if not you may not. Others I am sure can speak to that with much greater authority than I. I just thought the old capacitor issue should be raised.
Best Regards,
Lou
It's unlikely you will find electrolytic capacitors in speaker crossovers. I've never seen them, anyway.
Well,I have worked as a technician in TV and radio stations, in industry, etc. I can assure you caps of large values of capacitances in most speakers are electrolytic due to the cost, and weight, not to mention that really big foil caps, like large coils, are difficult to secure.
Best Regards,
Lou
I had just never seen any electrolytic capacitors in speaker crossovers. I built several Dynaudio kit speakers and they did not have electrolytic capacitors. Of course, all the speakers I'm familiar with used 6-dB per octave crossovers. I have a feeling there are no electrolytic capacitors in my Thiel CS3.7 speakers, but I don't know for sure.
Sorry,
John Elison
Hi John!
Here is a picture of the Thiel 3.7 crossover!
Thanks!
Unfortunately, that's not really a picture of the actual components. It's a drawing so it's not possible to tell whether any of the capacitors are electrolytic. My guess is that they are not, but you never know.
Best regards,
John Elison
It matters not, those are too new to need new ones anyway! If you had a dull sounding speaker, which you don't, you might want to look, and bypass any electrolytic caps at least in the signal path, but I like to bypass them all once I tear into them. I'll use less expensive caps if it's not passing signal to the speaker though. BTW, no cause to be sorry though, no one knows it all.
Best Regards,
Lou
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Back in the golden oldies time electrolytics were not uncommon. It seems in about the late to mid '60s npo caps began to dominate as the cost and construction as well as speaker crossover technology and understanding of its importance started to be better understood.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
Just off the top of my head, I've seen them in original Advents, NHT, Infinity, Boston Acoustic, and Dahlquist DQ-10s.
I'm sure there's many more, but I'm just listing some of the speakers I've owned.
For example, here's the crossover to an Infinity 7 Kappa I own. C4, C6, C7 and C8 are all non-polarized electrolytics. Something like C6, a 125 µF cap would be pretty large, not to mention expensive, for a manufacturer to use a film cap. Once you get up into the very expensive speakers, film caps may be used more frequently.
But the point is, electrolytics are more common than you'd think.
Oh yeah, a friend has Altec 604s, with electrolytic caps too.
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Freak out...Far out...In out....
The LS3/5A can also sound gorgeous in the middle of a large room with cathedral ceilings. I sold my stepbrother on this speaker in his converted old New England barn family room. He couldn't believe it....nor could I.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
Thanks, good to know!
Best Regards,
Lou
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