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Here is a picture of my setup my room is 14 by 11 with speakers on the 14 foot wall. I got the speakers 6 feet apart(inside of speakers) and 6 feet from listening spot. my question With a smaller room with out a ideal sweet spot with 2 or more listening do I need to angle the speakers? I find unless I sit in the very centre of my listening spot the sound is off during movies . My amp is a yamaha and I used the setup mic to calibrate the very centre of my listening spot but should I calibrate it to the spot I will be sitting in when more then one are listening?
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What happens when you play a music CD? Sound normal to you then, i.e. a good stereo image?
I suspect what you are hearing may be that you are listening to a mono signal, not a stereo one, coming from TV sources. That signal would be one which would position itself in front of the listener, not the TV.
FWIW I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with your set up which would cause your problem, it is what I would expect.
Hi Seanrichard,
First of all, good pic and good explanation. Kudos to you for that!
I see a doorstop on the left. Can I assume that a door is a limiting factor on that side? If not, move the speakers out about six inches to the left and right, respectively, giving you another foot of separation.
Moving the speakers toward the wall will help with the low end. Doing so will raise the maximum cancellation frequency to about the 500 Hz region, and I doubt that that will be an issue. You will likely have to adjust your bass/EQ somewhat.
I don't think your toe-in is excessive, except for the short distance from them to the sofa. That currently is your limiting factor - the short distance to the listening area. I think if you move them closer to the wall, that toe-in will work well in providing a wider "sweet spot" at the sofa, but that's also dependent upon the dispersion chararacteristics of the speakers. It seems that they're about a foot and a half from the wall. I'd put them, with the current toe-in, right up against the wall. That only gets you another foot, but, in a small-ish space, that makes a difference.
Just fyi, the equilateral triangle thing is just a guideline starting point, NOT a rule.
In a nutshell, use the current toe-in, move them back, and separate them a little more if possible. This will widen your "sweet spot" and let you have a bit more ambient sound at your ears.
Hope this helps!
:)
If I move my speakers back to the wall I can't move my Centre channel any as there is a baseboard heater right behind it. My yamaha receiver will calibrate the centre one foot closer then the fronts but is that still better in the end.Thanks
Your center channel is irrelevant to your question.
Forget the "calibration". It's marketing bullshit.
Do you want good advice, or not?
Let me be clear: Your speakers are too close to the listening area. Separate them more. Move them closer to the wall. Endeavor to enlarge the spaciousness.
I understand what your saying move apart and closer to the wall but don't I also have to keep my front 3 speakers in a arch with all three speakers the same distance from the listening area? I use this setup for tv,blu-ray and video games. I got a nice headphone set up I use for music
Not really. We're only talking about a foot or less, which is about 1 millisecond. If it turns out that you're getting too much center channel for your taste, just turn the center down a couple dB and things will fall back into balance. It's important to remember that we're trying to solve/reduce a greater problem - the lack of spaciousness and the need to sit in a particular position. Opening up your triangle will help to accomplish that.Edit: You might want to consider toeing in your speakers even a little more. This will help to reduce the tendency of the sound to "pull toward" the closer speaker.
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Edits: 09/14/14
Actually, the Yamaha should compensate for distance when you calibrate, so the fronts being behind the center isn't an issue.
-Rod
It can be hard to guess what might work and what might not work, because sound reflections or room acoustics can play funny tricks at times. So, experiment...
Farther apart, closer together. Minimal toe-in, maximal toe-in. Closer to you, farther from you. You'll find out what works best, eventually.
Experiment with listening seat position too, if space permits.
Remember how many people may be watching. I don't think you are using it for music, so set it up to sound good for movies. The answer lies within you...
Followed the different advice your guys gave and here is what I came up with. I pulled the speakers apart so there 94inches from inside of speakers and 94 inches from sofa.I put them against wall with a lesser toe in. sound stage is bigger but one question? in a home theatre set up are we suppose to here directional sound?(example: in a movie I could hear some one talking off screen to the right in the right speaker and then later in the scene hear the person on the right talking out of the right speaker and a group of people in the centre of the image talking from the centre speaker).
Just seen my receiver automatically set a DSP mode after calibration. After turning it off the sound got a whole lot better
Sorry, but there's no easy answer. It strikes me that your toe in is too drastic. For my horn speakers, about half of that toe in works well for me. In my office/game room, my semi-line array speakers are set up looking straight ahead. It depends on the speaker, how it images and how it's designed.
It's all trial and error. Looking at your setup now, if it's only for TV viewing and you don't have a center speaker, I'd probably move the speakers a bit closer to the TV and slightly in front of it. Start dead ahead and then try a little toe in at a time. Put the calibration mic where you normally sit. It'll never be perfect for everyone.
-Rod
I agree that the toe in is to much. Don't forget that this is a HT setup and not for music. There is often more than one in the room too.
As close as you are sitting to those speakers, and as far apart as they are, you will absolutely need some pretty extreme toe in. If that is unacceptable, try moving the speakers closer to each other and, if possible, move the couch back a bit. Even a few inches one way or the other can yield noticeable benefits...
-RW-
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