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In Reply to: RE: excuse the odd question - why buy controversial speakers? posted by middleground on February 10, 2012 at 13:03:56
That's a very persuasive argument you make.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, This is old, therefore it is good; the other says, This is new, therefore it is better.
- William Ralph Inge
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Do I have to map it out for you?
Nah. After browsing just a few of your 18,000+ posts, I yield to your obvious expertise at nonsense. My bad.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, This is old, therefore it is good ; the other says, This is new, therefore it is better.
- William Ralph Inge
Too bad as you seem to be a very judgmental fellow.
I will give you a hint that you will no doubt ignore: hi-fi is about sound reproduction, wines do not reproduce anything else on the face of the earth.
Who mentioned "hifi" to this point? I thought the poster was asking something else. Oh well, now that you have raised it...Hifi - or the accurate reproduction of some event or series of events coded to a playable medium - is a simple, easily understood ideal or goal. However, when describing what we think accurate music reproduction is we rely on personal opinions, influenced by myriad internal and external factors. The ideal/goal may be the almost the same, but our understanding of the criteria and methods we use to define and achieve it at a personal level might vary considerably.
Even with the live event, where there is no reproduction per se, the reasons we attend differ; what we experience differs; how we hear and interpret it differs... by extension, audiophiles might create systems that get them to heart of a performance better than competing products. They might describe their systems as more real, more able to replicate some event and simply more accurate to them; their fi is higher than others. Of course, what they consider real may not be what you consider real, or hifi. There is no absolute truth in personal opinion.
But what about 'absolute hifi' or 'audio truth?' Such 'absolutes' belong more in the realm of objectivity. Having developed research protocols for living in a previous life, I doubt that (m)any significant studies - clinical or population - exist that do not involve some personal judgement: what methodology, what measurement instrument... what statistical tool, what assumptions underpin said tool... how do we reconcile internal and external validity?... now we are back into the realm of the personal, albeit more completely informed and hopefully with minimal bias.
So, for most audiophiles hifi is an ideal that we might choose to move towards, some distant goal that shapes our direction; let us not confuse it with our present reality or oversimplify said reality to such a label. The enjoyment of reproduced music is personal, as is the enjoyment of wine. Of course the are distinctions between the two, but both are enjoyed and can involve complex decisions at the personal level, no matter how much we are focussed on the high in fi.
At least, that is my take on it for now. I might change my mind tomorrow.
Cheers.
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I'm arguing apples and oranges are both fruits. You're charging-in claiming "nonsense", and stating these fruits are different colors. Yeah- I kinda' know that. But thanks for the tip.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, This is old, therefore it is good ; the other says, This is new, therefore it is better.
- William Ralph Inge
Great day in the morning!
You are actually a cable manufacturer!
And you think you have room to talk about others spouting nonsense?
is the cheapest, most easily used (even amateurs can wield it to effect) tool for diverting and corrupting an argument. Wield it indiscriminately at people's characters, motivated not by genuine concerns about credibility but personal biases, and the wielder ends up seeming like a total douche bag.
You raise some interesting points and encourage occasional constructive discussion... why the deep need to repeatedly turn discussions into personal attacks?
As an aside, Chris also manufactures Teflon capacitors that have had many people reassess how accurate - how hifi - capacitors (in the context of an audio system) can sound. that is something I thought you would appreciate in a manufacturer.
Please, take care.
So it's a cheap argument!
My long ago dead brother always told to ask myself this simple question in life in assessing all new people I would be dealing with: "what does this guy sell?". He, unfortunately, died young leaving a few million dollars behind...
I guess caps have more cred than cables.
Are we allowed to say that on this forum?
After reading some examples of your rather prolific posting career at AA, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that I know a schoolyard bully when I see one.The only thing worse than a bully, is a bully who doesn't think he can get popped in the nose in front of the schoolyard.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, This is old, therefore it is good; the other says, This is new, therefore it is better.
- William Ralph Inge
Edits: 02/11/12 02/11/12
Wow! A bully?
Well at least you are running with a current theme.
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