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I have I guess, what would be considered a decent stereo, but the way it's setup it sounds only just OK. Part of it is the speakers are too revealing and make most of my Cd's sound like crap.
The way they make houses now-a-days it is never furniture/equipment friendly with the cathedral ceilings and such but don't know what to do about it.
No side walls to worry about but I sit too close to the speakers and they are probably too close to the back wall to sound right. That and they are probably too close together. I guess this is a rant more than anything since I'm pretty much locked into where everything is situated. Anybody else have this probelm?
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" Part of it is the speakers are too revealing and make most of my Cd's sound like crap."
No it's because you've got a bad stereo. The components taken individually probably would work fine in one system or another but obviously together in your system they suck.
And FWIW - the fact that some "quality" recordings actually don't sound like crap on your stereo doesn't mean squat other than your stereo works about as good as a clock radio.
It only gets worse with age and temporary remedies are progressively more and more costly. Jump off the bandwagon before you spend your kids' trust funds.
The poster, who includes no information about his rig or his music, suffers from trolling you.
1. Drink heavily.
2. Smoke dope.
Either will make your system sound better.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
"I guess this is a rant more than anything since I'm pretty much locked into where everything is situated. Anybody else have this probelm?"
If you don't rant the problem will go away.;^)
... you might like it.
you never said
n/t
Take everything and put it in the middle of your room. Get a chair and plant your ass for a day or 2. Stare at the room till the stereo ends up placed first, then set up the furniture around it. Convince your wife that it has to be this way. Otherwise take your stereo into another room and do the same thing, only thing is it'll be easier without the WAF coming into play. That way she can have her living room however she wants and you can have a listening room that she can be welcome in, just not have any say on the setup. You'll be so glad you did this. If you have no wife to contend with, just do as I suggested at first. Everything will end up just fine. It just takes time.
Freedom is the right to discipline yourself.
nt
You're not allowed to post under different monikers....
Why not register, list your equipment, describe your room and actually follow the same rules that we all have to adhere to? That way, - something constructive will come from your "rants."
"I'm not locked in here with you, You're locked in here with ME"
Without a moment of critical thought.
And I suspect this guy's been using different IP numbers of a time for quite a few posts.
And always getting "serious" replies.
covers it so much better than I did.....
"I'm not locked in here with you, You're locked in here with ME"
That has brought the problem to my attention a couple of times. Digital sources often reverse phase (depending on design) and can alter frequency response and/or imaging.
Years ago I actually played the "phase" track from a Stereophile test disk and me eyes were opened.
Bright room + bright speakers = you need a rug!
Going headphones is a good way to start things off. If headphones sound better then speakers, you need to upgrade the downstream components. If headphones sound worst then speakers, you need to upgrade the upstream components. If they both sound like shit, just start all over!
I put a rug on the wall behind me that helped a little.
Equipment is Dynaudio 5.4 with B&K pre-amp/amp. Sit probably 8-9 feet from speakers which are 6-7 feet apart. They sound a whole lot better in the dining room which is the next room over and back.
A combination sure to be unsatisfying. I have owned two different pairs of Dynaudios (Contour 1.3mkii and 1.8mkii) with good SS and tube gear (Moon and VTL) and they just aren't as good as they have been hyped to be. B&K electronics will never sound anything but a bit harsh and unresolving as well. Add to that the need for both to probably be "cranked" because both the speakers and the electronics will sound "compressed" for lack of a better word and it is IMO a recipe for bad sound.
They sound better a room over because the harsh highs have been attenuated by the distance and barriers between rooms.
At the very least ditch the electronics.
"8-9 feet from speakers which are 6-7 feet apart"
Those seem like pretty typical distances for dynamic speakers. I would concentrate on damping the room. Atsacoustics makes some inexpensive and attractive acoustic panels.
Must be why I have warm sounding loudspeakers and tube amplification!
Good luck!
(I always imagined lots of bookshelves and things hanging from the walls to soften the room acoustics, but I never got there - I would be an interior decorator and not an audiophile.)
> > Part of it is the speakers are too revealing...
When I see the phrase "too revealing" it inevitably brings up the mental image of an overly bright system. Under some conditions with certain recordings, such a system can sound quite enticing. However, with the bulk of recordings, irritating and tiring is more often the case.
It would be interesting to see the equipment involved in your case.
Many folks attribute shrillness or a lift in the high end as "revealing". What they are really hearing is pronunciation of certain regions of the audio spectrum. Forward midrange. Super-detailed and revealing high end. "Detail retrieval" can also be associated with distortion, such as the distortion caused by many ribbon tweeters which can be confused with that elusive "added shimmer and sparkle".
If you have a bright speaker in a live room you're going to get an "excessively revealing system". But it's really an equalisation and reflection problem and not an "information retrieval" or "transient accuracy" issue.
Getting old RCA blackgate tubes or "dumbing down" your system with less revealing components to compensate might sound like the right course of action, but it's not. Buy a speaker for your room, or first get a room that is properly balanced. Not too live, and not totally dead. If you do this, you'll find you have a lot more speakers to choose from.
A rich guy in a concrete room with hardwood floors and a wall of glass looking out at the ocean might be well off and have a $20 million dollar home, but he's got a disaster acoustically speaking. His speakers might look great in that space, but will they sound good?
He's rich so he'll probably think so...
Cheers,
Presto
I guess what I mean by revealing is, when I put in a Telarc jazz/blues cd I'm pretty happy with the sound but almost anything else...well sounds iritating. All my hard rock cd's are un-playable.
My garage system on the other hand sounds great by comparision at a fraction of the cost.
"My garage system on the other hand sounds great by comparision at a fraction of the cost."
Clearly and without a doubt you've wasted your money on expensive equipment
If your speakers don't have proper baffle step compensation they will sound midrange-forward and bass shy especially when playing content that relies on a solid bottom-end - especially rock music.
Move your speakers closer to the walls and see if the bass improves.
Trouble is, speakers close to the wall can enhance bass response, but can interfere with placement that is done to improve soundstage.
Adding a sub can help, but remember that subwoofer crossover points and the baffle step frequency are not one in the same. Baffle step frequency is considerably higher than sub crossover points, so you can't use a sub to make up for a lack of BSC, or placing a speaker with BSC too close or too far away from the walls.
Cheers,
Presto
I'm think you might really mean your speakers sound thin and lack the deep intensity that rock requires. Maybe a subwoofer or two would give you back the boogie. Just my thoughts.
Audiophile brands are not for everybody.
The real goal is good sound, not whether something is mass market or niche hifi branded.
Nothing wrong with swapping the garage system into your main space. At least the you will know for sure what effect the rooms are contributing to the overly revealing sound.
Lastly, although audiophiles are quick to blame the room and anything except the products themselves, sometimes it really is the product that is the cause of the problem.
a nice headphone set up.
Good luck,
JD
Tubes and vinyl are preferred.
Not enough information here buddy
What kind of loudspeakers/model/brand?
What are you using to drive the loudspeakers/model/brand?
What kind of music are you listening to?
How far are you sitting from the loudspeakers?
How far apart are the loudspeakers?
Answer all those questions and we shall all have a better clue
are a consequence of some things you have not mentioned including furniture and wall treatments as well as dimensions and positioning. Consider the former if you cannot change the latter. If you cannot change anything, too bad.
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