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In Reply to: RE: How much power do you need? posted by PaulF70 on September 09, 2016 at 17:25:09
No offense to Sanders but he is selling low sensitivity electrostatic hybrids and he is selling his 1000 watt amps. At CES he was a few doors away from the Audio Note room. They were running an 18 watt Jinro on 95dbish speaker playing good recordings of thrash metal, trance, kinda stuff at room crushing levels. Sanders' room even with 1000 watt amps sounded completely anemic. He basically said the same thing to me that he said to you but I kept think - for Pete sake walk down the hallway and listen to that 18 watt amp - in every way imaginable it sounded vastly better - at modest volumes as well.
And yes I am a fan of AN but across the hall I could say the same thing for the DeVore Orangutan or the Teresonic Ingenium or the roo with the Trenner and Freidls - most using small watt tube amps and all playing better MUCH better at high volumes.
Think about this as well whenever you're confronted by someone trying to convince you that your system is poor and what they are selling is better - if they tell you you have to use a scope in order to tell if something is good or bad. So what they are saying is that it can't be heard right? I mean if you MUST use a scope and measure it to death to make their case it means that it can't be heard. If it can't be heard then who cares? And if it could be heard - why would you need to spend the time measuring it?
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That is exactly right! The problem lies with the power sucking ESL panels he made. But once you get it right, the sound of ESL could be really good though. I have Carver Ribbons that is less forgiving but people says they need 500W too. I laughed all my way out whenever I hear over the top statement like this.
I have SS amps that can work all day long at 0.7ohm load such as Apogees Originals. And they sounds very tube like driving low impedance speakers. But really, I don't see anywhere near they are pushing 10-20W at moderate volume even for such crazy low impedance speakers.
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.Thou shall not stand where I type for I carry a bottle of Certified Audiophile Air and a Pure Silver Whip.
Yes, a few years back a friend and I stopped by the Sanders room at RMAF. One or two thousand watt per channel amps as I remember. Listening chairs lined up in a single file line centered between the speakers. Immediately I lost interest because I personally have no use for a speaker that needs a thousand watts to wake it up. That said, the set-up sounded very good if you remained "centered up" between the speakers. When we were leaving the room, I casually asked Mr. Sanders if he had visited any of the other rooms at the show. Basically he said he had briefly walked around and found nothing that came close to his set-up. My friend and I were taken back a bit as the statement came across in a somewhat arrogant manner. We thanked him for his time and moved on down the hallway agreeing that we'd already heard a half dozen or so set-ups that we preferred over his.....all tube based BTW.
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