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So many Lamm ML amplifiers for sale on the used market. What's going on ? Coincidence ?
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Art Dudley owned a pair, and often waxed poetically about them, but doesn't own them anymore.
I guess my point is, if you listen to enough equipment you'll always find something you like better.
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Art Dudley owned a pair, and often waxed poetically about them, but doesn't own them anymore.
I guess my point is, if you listen to enough equipment you'll always find something you like better.
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I guess, he got them cheap and after a while of holding them based on that, he was able to make some profit with them. Simple as that.
Do you no him personally ? Or was that just an internet type guess ?
I have two audio club member friends that own Lamms, so I've heard them many times, and although I think there quite good there certainly not the best I've heard. Just my opinion.
Audio reviewers usually don't have systems . They rely on industry accommodation and long term loans or whatever they can extort from manufacturers. The usual practice is to quietly sell pimped product after acquiring another one. Personally, I think only individuals with whore like mentality are becoming audio reviewers. Now, what that makes readers of Audio Magazines :?)
Only 3 pair of the SETs on A'Gon. Is that "so many"?
"Your liver suffers dearly now for youthful magic moments...so rock on completely with some brand new components"
Dunno. How many new units were sold over how many years? What are the reasons for sale? Considering the suggested performance of amp, what are the underlying reasons for xx% being sold?..My guess: there is no "one" amp. It will suit some people very well and others less well. People who purchased it on broad claims of superiority and first listen, but whom it does not fundamentally suit, are selling them off. No big deal, but it brings into question some of the claims made by reviewers. No surprise there.
Cheers.
“As long as we have any intention to be right… we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest.” Charlotte Joko Beck
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3 pairs of ML2.1 ($12,950, $13,750, $14,500).1 pair of ML1.1 and 1 pair of ML1.
1 pair of ML2.1 for $16,755 in the AA trader.
Regards,
Geoff
Edits: 07/25/12
I sold my Lamm ML1 after eight years of service. I replaced it with a Tron Telstar 211. I also replaced my speakers with Horning Eufrodites.
The Lamm ML1 needs maintance that is too much for the end user to do IMO. I had to change the tube sockets when I replaced the 6C33 tubes, and to bias the small tubes you have to put the amp on its side while on and bias those tubes live so a chance of getting a big shock if you are not careful. SO to change the tubes on an ML1 it cost me close to $1000 with tubes and labour for the tube socket change. Too much work for my liking.
I recently aquired a David woltze 6c33c cathode follower dual mono amp that is pre lamm , supposedly where lamm got his design from , has had verry little usage , my question is if it is set up to run 275ma of bias where do I set the front 0-100 ma meter per tube? It's one output tube per channel with 7788 front drivers
Yes Coincident.
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I just figured that when you find the "one", you never sell it ?
ML2.2 or ML3. In any case, mine are here to stay!
"Your liver suffers dearly now for youthful magic moments...so rock on completely with some brand new components"
Not necessarily - people are a flesh-bag of contradictions. How many conspicuous equipment-lovers compromise their enjoyment of music daily because of their equipment choices? They may even claim they are music lovers, but their behaviour suggests audiophillia is a deeper belief. I have heard some systems comprising highly lauded Stereophile Class A jewelery that left me cold.Stream of consciousness thought alert:
But I take your point that this is an amp that a few people thought was "The One", yet they did not stick with it. Perhaps it is the case of being impressive initially, but less fulfilling in the longer term... This is in contrast to the likes of Shindo et al that seem to be the vice versa.
You can use low impedance drivers; regulation out the wazoo; fixed bias; CCS everywhere, high current operating points and end up with an amp that sounds "accurate", ultra-detailed, impressively dynamic and exciting, has a very deliniated soundstage... yet in time you come to realise you are enjoying music through it rarely if ever.
And when did analytical become almost synonymous with "accurate"? Why does an emphasis on at the aspects of musical reproduction that make conscious analysis easier, or the main focal point, supposedly make for accurate reproduction? Just because something engages left-brain activity does not mean it is accurate.
Cheers.
“As long as we have any intention to be right… we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest.” Charlotte Joko Beck
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Speakers are the same way as amps.
One can design a speaker cabinet according to all the correct mathematics, and then use the wrong thickness wood. Or use internal braces-- obviously something you can't use unless you like your music interrupted and modified by wave collisions against the braces.
So, one learns how to use the right materialls and construction-- and then you don't need braces. You also don't need much stuffing because you designed the box solid-- you eliminated resonant peaks by design-- not by correction.
The thing then breathes music, and it's good.
Amps should be very accurate signal-wise just like speakers should, so when somebody says they're designing for accuracy-- which one do they mean? FORCED accuracy or NATURALLY DESIGNED-IN accuracy? The two are opposites, and only one plays actual music because music flows naturally-- it's not a static thing..
The same questions apply: shall we get this correct by add-ons to make corrections and FORCE "accuracy", or should we simply design the thing so that it needs zero corrections and zero adjustments?
It's Designer's Choice. But only one actually plays music long-term.
---Dennis---
Sorry Dennis, I'm not sure why you have included the speaker reference... perhaps you have had speakers on the mind recently.I will bite, but only once. I agree with some of what you have said; of some I am unconvinced. Your point is taken regarding design and materials, but I am guessing our solutions differ slightly. I commissioned a custom design and build by people who have challenged accepted approaches, accumulated a significant amount of knowledge and experience, and have exemplary performance.
That is all the off-topic posting I will make to this thread. Respectfully, please don't reply in an attempt to inform me of my wrongheadedness or why your approach/ speaker is "better"; you've had your say. Any such response will be assumed to be a promotion of your product.
Keep well.
“As long as we have any intention to be right… we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest.” Charlotte Joko Beck
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You makes 'yer choices and you live with the results.
Fair enough. You have every right to do so.
---Dennis---
Dennis,I'd like to apologise for the tone of my previous post. My only excuse is that I was in a dark mood and touch defensive. Some issues seem to be eating away at me in unanticipated ways... That is my crap though; I need not make it yours.
You may have been simply continuing our previous line of conversation regarding speakers, which I interpreted it as a possible opportunity for you promote your product. My bad. Still, this is not the place to discuss speakers.
Thanks for your understanding.
Cheers.
“As long as we have any intention to be right… we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest.” Charlotte Joko Beck
Edits: 07/26/12
I appreciate hearing from you some more.
The speaker analogy is simply a way to have an illustration that sheds some light on the thinking here-- that the two problems are similar and are solved with a similar mental approach.
Staying "on-topic" should actually have no meaning here, so I don't find fault if you or I appear to stray from topic. We stray within reason-- I think we must if we are to gain understanding-- used in this way, it sheds light on our thinking processes, and harms no one.
It's all good, R.C.!
---Dennis---
Thanks for your understanding Dennis. I appreciate your reason for the analogy - I just would not want to carry it on too long here.
No doubt, we will continue to share and discuss.
Thanks again and take care.
Raymond.
“As long as we have any intention to be right… we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest.” Charlotte Joko Beck
As if!
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
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