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An audiophile from another forum who's not yet familiar with rock asked me to make a demo disc of high quality rock tunes for him.So far I have selected tracks from these albums:
STEELY DAN – Two Against Nature & Aja
PINK FLOYD – Dark Side of the Moon & The Division Bell
SUPERTRAMP - Crime of the Century & Breakfast in America
ALAN PARSONS - Try Anything Once & On Air
MARK KNOPFLER - Sailing to Philadelphia & Golden Heart
OCTOBER PROJECT – October Project & Falling Farther In
PORCUPINE TREE – In Absentia & Signify (REMASTER)
OZRIC TENTACLES - Curious Corn & Waterfall Cities
BOZZIO/LEVIN/STEVENS – Black Light Syndrome & Situation Dangerous
VERTÚ – Vertú
ISILDURS BANE – Mind Vol. 1, 2 & 4
MIGUEL SANCHEZ - Thalisma
RAY WILSON – Change
TRUE ILLUSION – I &II
PHIL COLLINS - Both SidesSo, what’s missing on the above list to make this comp really worth checking out by someone who wants something close to reference recordings?
Follow Ups:
Morophine - "Cure for Pain"
The Replacements - "Pleased to Meet Me"
Steve Earle - "Exit 0"I absolutely love Husker Du - have every CD release, but there recordings suck. It in no way detracts from enjoying them. Warehouse and CAG are the best of the lot.
-t
Well, most of them are Progressive ROCK, some are classic ROCK, some are Jazz-ROCK Fusion, some Pop ROCK...So what’s wrong with my list?
I would say that there's something wrong with your list if you're compiling it for someone who's not familiar with 'rock.' No Elvis, Little Richard, or Jerry Lee Lewis, no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Who, or even Led Zeppelin? If one needs to skip over all these artists merely to test speakers I can't see calling it 'rock.'
Except for some Led Zeppelin stuff, to me all the others suck, so I'm not going to have to deal with bands/artists I don't like to make something for others.
Then why are you asking for advice without mentioning this?
I recently moved so I will email you my new addy.Thanks,
;-)
A classic...
Tesco Vee's work should rate very highly in the pantheon of reference recordings. Just a few bars of 'Tooling For Anus' should bring out the best in any speaker...
- http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47B16DF4EAF7E20D7812F54CCB161E006D163F4971D6E584792B63E45910077F35BF49B98F5B673AB78ACE02CA45A0A9FC9E454FDD6663F2DFC93&sql=10:q9fxlfde5cqq (Open in New Window)
I used to have their T-shirt (way back in my youth) with a characture of the band admonishing the audience with the caption "We're The Meatmen and you SUCK!" I had it all of two weeks and someone stole it from my laundry. Man, were they hard core.
Followed by Crippled Children Suck....... yikes!
My personal Rock fave of the past year or two. Dave Grohl on drums is hard to beat. The title track is all killer, no filler.Keith Richards solo albums are killer as well. Talk is cheap is excellent.
Steve McQueen, PFS.
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anymore "rock" music.
... and wants a rock demo disc to demonstrate his speakers to rock listeners in a hi-fi show that will take place in Sao Paulo/Brazil in August.
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Rush- something from Permanent Waves or Moving Pictures
Queen - Night at the Opera of Day at the Races
Husker Du - Warehouse Songs and Stories or Candy Apple Grey
AC/DC - Back in Black
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Dream Theater- a lotta choices
Springsteen- Born to Run or Thunder Road
Allman Brothers - Eat a Peach or Brothers and Sisters
Well... I am not any expert, but I always have the impression that every DT release I listen to is overly compressed. Ok, "Images and Words" sounds pretty decent to me, but the others...Any other opinion about the technical quality of DT recordings?
Thanks for the other suggestions, I will check them out.
Also:
Nomeansno - 0+2=1 on vinyl
Big Boys - Fun Fun Fun on vinyl
Sugar - Copper Blue on vinyl
Crass - Best Before 1984 on vinyl
Bongwater - Double Bummer on vinylAnd, disagreeing with Don T, Husker Du's New Day Rising on vinyl.
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1.) My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2.) The Stooges - Raw Power
3.) J. Geils Band - Live Blow Your Face Out
4.) AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap (Aussie Vinyl only)
5.) Led Zeppelin - LZ I
6.) Mummies - Party at Steves
7.) Rocket From the Crypt - Circa Now
8.) Motorhead - Ace of Spades
9.) Catherine Wheel - Ferment
10.) MC5 - Kick Out the Jams
11.) Dinosaur Jr - st
12.) Husker Du - Candy Apple Grey
13.) The Who - Who Next
14.) Rolling Stones - Live Get Yer Ya Ya's out
15.) Buthole Surfers - Hairway to Steven
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Saw em live, twice back in about 1970-1971. The singular best live act I've ever seen. But every recording, even the remastered Best Of, sounds like hammered shit. Somebody forgot the fookin bass!!!!Little Queenie off Ya Yas. Pretty righteous off the new AbCko remasters
I'd add just about anything off side two of Graham Parker's Mona Lisa's Other Sister, maybe Blue Highway. I played my old Lp copy last night and the sound just jumps off the record. On the Demon label(???).
I'm sorry but really most of the "audiophile" reissues of rock music really stink. Honest I've owned dozens (100s) but only a couple stand out - there's a Universal reissue of Lynyrd Skynyrds Second Helping (not really an audiophile reissue) and the 3 Men with Beards reissue of Televisions Marquee Moon.As far as Kick Out the Jams goes I admit if I turn it way up there's moment when I'd swear I could smell stale bongwater - it's like I'm there. I don't know if any record is better than that one.
I've heard damn good things about that one.And I've heard only a few reissues that sound better than the original LP. The Stones & CCRs recent ones come to mind. Kick Out The Jams does capture their live show's intensity, its just that when I crank it above, say, 10:00, its grating as Hell and I've got a system decidely on the warm side. Loudness contour on the Lux helps but thats not sayng much....
Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa!!
Used to be one of my favorite records - even non-audiophiles would have to agree it sounds great.I haven't tried the new Stones or the new CCR releases but I've heard they are excellent. I forgot to mention the DCC reissues of the Doors LPs - especially LA Woman.
But it's gotta be the London import original pressing.
Great sound for that time period.
CDs??Steely Dan seems to be the choice of audiopiles.
Ya can't go with David Crosbys first solo cause it
fer sure ain't rock.
YECHierthanyoulleverbe
These are my reference tracks I use to audition
equipment with.
artist/medium/album/songsStevie Ray Vaughan - LPs or remastered CDs
Couldn't Stand the Weather - Couldn't Stand the Weather
and Voodoo Chile - DCC Gold CD also
Instep - Leave my Girl Alone and CrossfireEric Clapton - LP or MFSL LP or CD
Slowhand - Cocaine and the CoreAlan Parson - LP or MFSL LP
I Robot - I Robot and I Wouldn't Want to Be Like YouYes - LP or DVD-A
Fragile - RoundaboutLed Zeppelin - LP
Presence - Nobody's Fault but MineSantana - LP or MFSL CD
Abraxas - Black Magic Woman and Hope You're Feeling Better
1st Album - Evil WaysAC/DC - 180 gram LP
Back in Black - Back in BlackDeep Purple - LP or remastered CD
Machine Head - Smoke on the Water and LazyRush - LP or MFSL CD
2112 - 2112Van Halen - LP or DCC gold CD
1st album - Runnin with the Devil and Ain't Talkin Bout LoveFleetwood Mac - LP or DVD-A
Rumors - The ChainTalking Heads - LP
Live - Same as it Ever Was and Take Me to the RiverAs always YMMV..............
Bill
Demetrio, Steely Dan's "Katy Lied" billed itself in 1975 as "a high fidelity recording" in the original liner notes. "Steely Dan uses a specially constructed 24-channel tape recorder, a 'State Of The Art' 36-input computerized-mixdown console, and some very expensive German microphones. Individual microphone equalization is frowned upon. The sound of the musicians and singers is reproduced as faithfully as possible, and special care is taken to preserve the band-width and transient response of each performer". In their 1999 remastered "K.L." cd release's liner notes , Donald Fagen & Walter Becker recalled "the little studio at ABC/Dunhill was very nicely tricked out with a brand new Bosendorfer piano, our splendid double Magneplanar monitor system, and a newly acquired and fabulously expensive set of Audio Research D-76 tube power amps to go with the Maggies. You should have been there". Oh yeah, a background singer-n-keyboardist named Michael McDonald makes his first album contributions with Steely Dan(he toured as part of S.D.'s 1974 band, & would continue to provide background vocals throughout the 70's, even during his successful Doobie Brothers enlistment). Actually, all those 70s-era Roger Nichols' engineered & Gary Katz produced S.D. albums are sonic marvels.
Due to some signal processing anomaly, IIRC. They were compressed, then the compression messed up, or something like that.
duilawyer, try listening to "K.L." through an auld dbx expander unit. You'll still hear those occasional phasey tape saturation effects, like on "Black Friday" & "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More". But the other tracks sound just fine! Methinketh these sessions were recorded with dbx encoding, but Dolby decoded during the mastering process, which exacerbated & created some unintentional aural artifacts!
It is, indeed, the first name I think about everytime someone talks about rock reference recordings.I don't own that "Katy Lied" release you mentioned though, sounds like a must have indeed.
Thanks for the tip and aditional info.
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Steely Dan are rock lite, at best. When you can convert a band's tunes over to Muzak simply by removing the vocals, you know these tunes do not rock. No doubt your prog bands rock harder than any of the SD tunes. Most rock recordings are not audiophile material, in large part due to the amount of compression used during the recording process. The best sounding rock recording I own is the DCC version of the first Van Halen record. I'll admit that I don't listen to it much as VH aren't really my bag, but its hands down the most "audiophile" rock CD I own.
Which includes Steely Dan, Abba, the Carpenters and the Partridge Family, Frank Zappa, Motorhead, The Cars, DEVO, the B52s, Boston, and the Sex Pistols...There is hard rock, punk rock, light rock, pop rock, acid house jazz, prog rock, art rock....
But it's all rock.
If you want to talk about Classic Rock, or Heavy Metal, or hard rock, then no, - Steely Dan doesn't fit in there....
pdl, "Reelin' In the Years", "Bodhisattva", "Show Biz Kids", "My Auld Skool", "King of the World", "Monkey In Your Soul", "Black Friday", "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More", "Chain Lightning", "Kid Charlemagne", & "Don't Take Me Alive" are fairly decent rockers from the Becker-Fagen stable! Guess via yer criteria, John Lennon wasn't much of a rocker, either, as some of his tunes have been Muzaked as well! Same same with Jimi!!!
You may like them, but rock they do not.
As Rachael Makela-n-Bekka Lou would say, "whatever, dude"!
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