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In Reply to: Did you read the part about Tubeguy's "mobility?" posted by robert young on October 24, 2006 at 12:41:02:
I've known many people who had limited mobility, some of them restricted to wheel chairs. Don't give me the "you are so insensitive" line of bullshit. That kind of crap doesn't wash with me, I've been around the block too many years to fall for it. There are many ways for people who have restricted mobility to socialize with other human beings and participate in life if they want to. There isn't a community in the United States which doesn't have countless organizations and programs, some private and some public to bring people with all kinds of disabilities into "the community" and make them feel part of the world and not leave them to be in solitary confinement in their own homes. That only happens to them if they insist on it and many do. Hiding behind a computer terminal, a stereo system, and a television set is one way to do it. Feeling sorry for yourself is another.
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You got caught being unnecessarily hostile, and yet you try to turn it into some "tough love" position on the handicapped. Every day the hubris on this Forum amazes me.I'm not defending Tubeguy's position(s), nor am I applauding his (former) pit-bull determination to keep at it with you and others on this forum, but I do think that there are better and more productive methods for educating someone than to berate them, particularly by personal attacks, even if they themselves are equally guilty.
Robert,I was indeed very determined in my attempt to present another POV. I am however amazed that Unsoundmind would turn my appeal to build a bridge by publically posting I've had enough of the Subjectivists vs Objectivists arguement, into an attack on my health.
Some make friends easier than others. I'm not one to make friends easily. I was only trying to say my present condition limits my getting out and meetings others. I wasn't whining like Unsoundmind suggests, I was only stating a fact. If Paul B reads this perhaps he'll comment on how much less I go out within this past 1.5 years than I used to.
When good days do come I want to take my wife out. Why? Because she doesn't drive and we don't live near a busline so my condition effects her social life as well. She's an amazing woman who never ever complains. She always wants what is best for me, so what do I have to whine about? I'm not whining, I'm grateful I can still walk. I garden because I love to and refuse to allow this dam condition take everything away from me. I wished just for 1 month I could give Unsoundmind my condition, just to help melt that piece of ice he calls a heart. I've had a handicapped license in MY name for over 10 years, since I was 42 and they are not easy to get in FLA.
What Unsoundmind doesn't understand is that there are degrees of being disabled, just cause some can, doesn't mean we all can. In fact I have a wheelchair bound acquaintance who told me he feels sorry for ME!!!????? Why, I asked, would you feel sorry for me, when you can't walk? He looked at me and said I've thought about this a lot Tom. My reasons are: #1 It's true I cannot walk, but I'm not in pain. I cannot begin to fathom what being in the amount of pain you live with 24/7's would be like and #2 I know that because you can walk and no one can see your pain, few see you as the disabled person you are.
Robert I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me. I don't give a horses pa-toot what Unsoundmind says. I'm just honestly amazed that when I give up the Subjectivists vs Objectivists arguement, that anyone could be so low or would be so mean-spirited as Unsoundmind is and attack the condition of my health, in order to try to provoke me back into the arguement.
As with the Subjectivists vs Objectivists arguement, this is all I will say on this matter as well. I consider it dropped, but I'm sure Unsoundmind will find many others things to say about me as well, SO BE IT!
what we're left with is our conscience. It is no man's right to judge that.In the last few hours of the day (more hours if we're fortunate), what we've all got is our love of music and our enjoyment of the means to reproduce it. Alot of the frustrations that result from the "debates" in these Forums can be easily brushed aside with a drink of choice, a comfortable chair, and some great music well-presented...
Good luck Tom. I hope for you and your wife that the pain you experience lessens with time...
"I am however amazed that Unsoundmind would turn my appeal to build a bridge by publically posting I've had enough of the Subjectivists vs Objectivists arguement, into an attack on my health."I didn't. YOU DID! You made it an unavoidable issue. That's what you wanted all along and you got it. Pity the poor tubeguy with the limited mobility. Hasn't limited his ability to type on a keyboard or use a mouse though. He can still cut and paste with the best of them.
OK, it's OCD time. Cut and paste your mantra now. You have my permission. Right down in that box below where it says "Post a followup"
He insults people and then whines when they insult him back. He asks for it. That's how he engages people to get attention. He's like a whining infant. That he engages people about technical issues on a board specifically dedicated to that purpose having no technical knowledge of his own and trying to impose his views by intimidation proves all he wants is to be noticed. I'm no psychologist but I've seen and read enough about it to know that the worst reaction is to surrender to his hostility. Some will but I won't be among them.
As I said, I'm not defending Tubeguy's positions or his determination to keep at it.However, when you state that he is, "trying to impose his views by intimidation," you could be describing any number of Inmates, you and me included. There's still no excuse for bad behavior, whether it is "deserved" or not.
Cheers, and have a nice long session with that lovely Steinway...
"However, when you state that he is, "trying to impose his views by intimidation," you could be describing any number of Inmates, you and me included."Well we could beat each other up about that all day. If I decided I didn't want any more of it because I didn't like what I felt was excessive hostility, I would just stop posting. That is the sane reaction IF that was the issue. That is not tube boob's real arguement. Haven't you noticed that he has turned this thread to a subject he doesn't feel he is inferior in his knowledge about...himself. His real problem is his ego and the huge chip he carries on his shoulder, angry at life itself and anyone who doesn't suffer his pain with him. But he never figured he'd be challenged even on this subject and this time he can't resort to his usual arguements. Again, if the issue is what he says it is, he'd just leave. But he doesn't. He keeps coming back for more because its exactly what he wants. Isn't it obvious? This isn't tough love or any other kind of love. I don't give a rats ass what happens to him. He could drop dead tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me. He's just another moniker on an internet board whether he uses his real name or not. BTW, like Phil Tower, he made a special point of telling us his name.
You may be right about Tubeguy's motivation: I couldn't guess. All the back and forth (to give this thread an innocuous name) sure takes away from the technical, doesn't it?But what's so wrong about Phil Tower the moniker being Phil Tower the person?? If it's really bad, then I'm not really robert young...;)
"But what's so wrong about Phil Tower the moniker being Phil Tower the person??"Nothing, except that every time he loses an arguement or goes off on one of his snits, he berates me for not using my real name while he makes it a point of telling the world he uses his. He is the most thin skinned lawyer I have ever encountered. He wouldn't last in the Big Apple for five minutes, they'd eat him alive. He has his own game. He will be the first to tell you he deliberately provokes people to get what he hopes will be an interesting discussion going. Only he gets so caught up in it, he winds up in the stew pot he created himself. I actually like Phil Tower and I respect his intelligence. He's just too sensitive to do what he does. Lawyering requires a tough hide. Lawyers are trained to argue both sides of an arguement with equal conviction and never take anything said in the heat of a debate personally. And he does that, often arguing both sides of an issue he brought up in the same thread...sometimes against himself. Funny, even when he does, he never seems to come out the winner :> )
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