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In Reply to: RE: comparing I2S vs. AES3 with Gustard U12+X12 posted by beppe61 on September 29, 2016 at 22:34:58
Hi Beppe,It is not often that you find someone who uses Apogee products refer to their system as low end.So,either you have golden ears,are modest,are very demanding,or-all of the above.
I am a classical musician.Never had much money or even spare cash.But,for many reasons,I did channel relatively much of what I " did not have" into getting good sound.At some time,I decided to check out if digital sound could be livable,and bought an Apogee DAC and A to D.At around the same time a Deltec/DPA PDM1.3 came my way.I also had an MSB DAC-probably their entry level converter.I was fully expecting the Apogee to be head and shoulders above the others.As it turned out,after listening to the Deltec,there was no comparison,the Apogee sounded disappointing.Also the A to D was less good than the internal converter in my HHB-800.Sometimes surprises work in our favor,sometimes less so.Best,Raanan
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Hi !
actually with low end i was referring more to the part of the chain downstream the Apogee, for sure not a high resolution system.
The Apogee is one of the most expensive pieces i have.
I bought it used of course.
I see now that you have a much more resolving system that can show up differences more clearly.
I was using an integrated with some cheap Tannoy speakers, not the best one. However the sound was not very bad let's say.
Also the Rosetta has some kind of jitter reduction circuit inside, i think.
I have also a Gustard X20U by the way still boxed. Hopefully it will be better than the Apogee ?
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 09/30/16
Beppe,We can all learn from your civility,gentleness and sympathic writing...sorry for the compliments in public!
People who take the time to write about their wordly audio possessions,apparently like the sound of the words-high end.Maybe it gives them the feeling that they possess something of consequence that justifies the financial expense and the investment of time in order to get better sound.Certainly the term high end itself was invented by dealers as a way of separating people from their money.
We discover that sometimes one can get good sound for little money,and sometimes there is no alternative to making a financial effort.
In any case,it is rare to come across the term low end.One does encounter-"mid -fi."If I am not mistaken-lower down the chain would be either South,or downstream or whatever.
I found that placing polycrystal cones under the X12 gave good results in providing a bit more resolution.Only a few dozen hours on it,so it may still get better.If you have a U12,then there might be synergy with the DAC.But ,of course it is worth comparing the USB input of the DAC with using the interface.Is the Melodious better than the U12?In which ways?
I have both a U12 and Melodious. The Melodious has a fuller richer sound The differences are small. I now use a Singzer converter. The differences are major
Alan
Thanks,Alan.Which model Singxer?
The Singzer SU-1
Alan
Hi !
lately i have come to the conclusion that the listening room can be a very limiting factor. This is my case and so i am now listening mostly through headphones. As i am about to go back home i am packing my things and i have not tested the Gustard.
However in my system and with my ears not big differences between the Gustard U12 and the Melodious 1st version. The sound was very very similar.
As i understand the X12 is good i hope the X20 will be similarly good.
But i was not offended at all by the Apogee.
I like very much the ML sound. But first the room.
Kind regards.
Kind regards,
bg
Beppe,Of course you are right.I have had less(far less) than ideal rooms for the last 30 years.An L shaped living room that caused a 10 db suckout between 115-290 cps,and nothing helped.Or small rooms that did not enable anything resembling a soundstage.Now,newly married,whenever my wife is home,I listen with earphones-LCD-2.They are good,and even going from the PC to a Schiit Mjolnir,gives very good sound.
Hi again !" Beppe,Of course you are right.I have had less(far less) than ideal rooms for the last 30 years. An L shaped living room that caused a 10 db suckout between 115-290 cps,and nothing helped. Or small rooms that did not enable anything resembling a soundstage. Now,newly married,whenever my wife is home,I listen with earphones-LCD-2. They are good,and even going from the PC to a Schiit Mjolnir,gives very good sound "
Thanks for the valuable advice and I could not agree more.
It took me a while to realize how important is the listening room.
And the realization was very painful. Few can afford a room to dedicate to audio listening and treat it.
This is the only way to give the opportunity to a system to show its true potential.
Moreover this realization has been for me a show stopper in the equipment upgrade process.
There is no reason to spend thousands on equipment when the room itself is not up to the task.
I know from friends' experience that a decent stereo system in a great room will sound better than a great system in a not decent room.
And the fact that I have neighbors extremely silent and that I listen a lot late in the evenings forced me towards headphones.
Honestly I cannot say that I am completely satisfied by listening thorugh HPs.
Even if I use mostly AKG and the sound is quite out of the head is never in front of me, like it should naturally.
The listening is not natural and this leads to a fatigue in the long term. A discomfort.
At present I am packing things hoping in a better future location.
For me 3D soundstage rendering is everything and listening room characteristics and acoustic treatment are key to get a decent performance on this regard.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 10/01/16 10/01/16 10/01/16 10/01/16
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