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In Reply to: RE: Mercman: Sonore by Simple Design microRendu: An Audiophile Odyssey posted by Isaak J. Garvey on August 25, 2016 at 07:21:13
Why would anyone want their digital music to come over the wifi or ethernet as opposed to a hard disk file or a transport?
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The choices (ethernet vs. hard disk file) aren't mutually exclusive. ;-)
Speaking personally, I've found that the best sound in my own system comes from a remote hard disk (in another room), via ethernet to a COMPUTER, to the DAC in my pre-pro (via HDMI), even though I also have a (disc) transport connected directly to the pre-pro. YMMV and all that.
Nothing good gets lost or bad gets added to the signal?
Or is the rendu thingee supposed to solve this problem? In fact, isn't this a bit like the shore battery (guns) that protects the seaplane base that protects the battery?
I've also had some of the music files stored on the local drive, and I assure you that I do not hear any difference at all. By the time one hears the music, the file has been loaded to the local RAM anyway - you're never hearing it directly from the hard drive.
Furthermore, the local drive is solid state, and, at this point, these kinds of drives don't come in the capacities that I need, so I keep my (remote) 4 TB RAID drive in another room, per my previous post on this thread. (I've never used a rendu thingee.) If you're thinking that something gets lost or added, you're thinking in analog terms.
I don't quite get your reference to battery guns and seaplane bases, although redundancy is never a bad thing when it comes to computer files! ;-)
I will certainly take your word for it.Samsung makes a 1TB SSD internal hard drive. See URL.
They also make a 1TB portable.
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they just cost an arm and a leg!
Nah, that's cheap in audiophileland !!
about the same cost as a 1.5M "AQ Diamond" ethernet cable. :)
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Hilarious how you despise the microRendu yet you are on EVERY FREAKIN mRendu thread. Get. A. Life.
I despise you........
And you have very poor reading comprehension as well.... I just wanted a Return Policy and you went Ballistic. I think you need to get over it.
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Boo Hoo..gonna call my therapist, I need a hug. LOL.
Did your $12,000 vinyl rig come with a return policy?
Now blow away black cloud.
What if you use a streaming service and want access to over 25 Million tracks of music?
...... Much cheaper than trying to buy it all and store it on a disk. I listen to streamed music about 95% of the time, even though I have over 4,000 albums in my library.
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Real simple. Hard drives require a COMPUTER, software, and you are at the mercy of O/S updates. Hard drives are nothing but noise producing crap. They, and a computer should be no where near a high end listening room.
An optical transport? Then you will not have access to thousands or 24 bit remasters, or DSD rips.
Real simple. Hard drives require a COMPUTER, software, and you are at the mercy of O/S updates. Hard drives are nothing but noise producing crap. They, and a computer should be no where near a high end listening room.But doesn't your very expensive and well reviewed Aurender W20 and your Antipodes DX Refernce include a computer, software, operating system, and possibly a hard disk within their chassis?
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he says his W20 is configured without any spinning rust . Only the SSD buffer remains. NAS access does require, however, a Mac based application to run the Aurender Media Manager.So, there is the diskless W20, external network storage and a Mac in the mix to make it all work. Prolly sounds just peachy - if not a bit of an overkill config.
But then so was it back in 2001 when HP was using the $57k Burmester 969/970 combo. :)
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But isn't a streamer also a computer?
This has been debated on over 50 threads here I guessing.
Sure it is a "computer" just like your car, fridge, and microwave are.
The good streamers are PURPOSE BUILT and designed for AUDIO by AUDIO engineers.
By the same token, audio software running on a GENERAL PURPOSE COMPUTER (such as, say, HQ Player) is PURPOSE BUILT and designed for AUDIO by AUDIO engineers! ;-)
..running on garbage quality hardware.....:)
The thing we have to remember is that, with digital processing of ANY kind, we're dealing with discrete values (1's and 0's). So when any kind of "noise" (or, if you will, "garbage") gets into the system, it only becomes a problem when it exceeds a (pretty generous) threshold. IOW, additional noise (unless it's a substantial amount) is NOT going to change the value of the bits being processed - this is one of the big advantages of digital and it's the reason that all of our systems today (financial systems, etc.) have converted to digital. It's more accurate and less prone to problems. Moreover, the transmission of digital data just doesn't get corrupted as easily. So I can be using garbage quality hardware, and the data transmission (to my DAC for instance) is still just fine.
I guess you could say that my garbage tolerance is pretty high - as long as the right bits in the right order get through unscathed!
Your view on this is perfectly reasonable. But I believe it is wildly inaccurate. You have fallen into mindset that "digital is digital" wether it is data sent to a printer or a stock trade.
Having worked in recording studios and mastering studios for over 20 years I promise you that audio is a very special case.
The very fact that you can plug in any number of "USB purifiers" (iFI, UpTone, Intona, Wyrd, Schitt, etc) and different USB Cables,and the sound changes, almost always for the better, is proof the tolerance is actually VERY LOW.
More proof positive is these differences are much much smaller with higher end devices.
I have no issue with you taking a different position, I promise you it is better for your nervous system!
. . . is the role of human psychology in audio evaluation. I mean of course such phenomena as expectation bias, group-think, etc.
I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong however, and I do respect your experience in the industry. It's just that the awareness of subtle (or even unsubtle) sound improvement(s) may be more "in the mind" than is commonly acknowledged.
My own background is in music, so I like to flatter myself that I can tell what I'm hearing too. ;-)
"the awareness of subtle (or even unsubtle) sound improvement(s) may be more "in the mind" than is commonly acknowledged."
Very valid point, and I can tell you without question I believe that many "improvements" in sound reported by Audiophiles with highly questionable tweaks and enhancements are in the mind.
I personally don't think hard drives near sensitive gear is a good thing, but if someone sets up a system with drives perched on their hifi rack, it is in no way "wrong", but not what I would do.
but compare sizes and power supplies. :)
And Ethernet sounds better than wifi? So unless your house is wired for Ethernet your screwed?
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Not really. My house isn't wired for Ethernet, but I used a mediabridge as described in the review.
nt
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Thanks Steve,
I was going to wait till I got home to research all that equipment.
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
At least they serve drinks at home.
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