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Is there any digital front end I should consider besides the squeeze box touch? Ideally, I would like to put all my cds on a hard drive and connect that device to my DAC. Also looking to spend less than $300. Thanks
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I don't know what kind of DAC you now have, but if it can handle USB asynchronous input, and if you already have a hard drive for your music, you may want to consider picking up a used 2009 Mac Mini, which, with a little patience, you should be able to pick up for around $300. Add the Audirvana Plus media player for $49 (or Fidelia for $19) and you are ready to go. Just rip your CDs into AIFF (or Apple lossless) format using XLD and start listening.
With this sort of set-up, you would have lots of options to upgrade your system into something better later by adding more RAM or a solid state hard drive to the Mac Mini (to run the OS), or by upgrading the player software.
If your DAC cannot accept USB input, then you could still do this, but you would need to add perhaps another $100 to buy a USB-to-S/PDIF converter, such as the Musical Fidelity V-Link, which is now available new for $104 on eBay (as a Buy-It-Now).
Happy listening!
Cheers,
Bill
Sonos is widely liked worldwide, but it outputs high jitter. Needs reclocking to sound decent. Go to sonos.com and run their demo.
What doesn't output high jitter and does not need reclocking?
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
You made his day...
...by supporting his hidden marketing message
He jumps in because he sells related products !!!! There's no other reason than that.
And I even respond to that bu......
I still don' t understand , why the forum admins don't force those guys to at least get rid of their personalized IDs. They need to force them to show up with their company name - which might be even better marketing - and a big fad clear warning on every post "Warning Commercial Interest".
Actually all those Rankins and Nugents , you name it, should be forced to open their own vendor section. They shouldn't be allowed to post in this part of the forum, since all posts are hidden marketing.
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Actually I was trying to be sarcastic. He sounds like a broken record repeating the same response over and over.
And I agree about letting them post here because every one of his posts are biased toward his product.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
"And I agree about letting them post here because every one of his posts are biased toward his product."
Some of these manufacturers make significant contributions to the forums and would be missed if they were banned as a class.
As to bias, there is no such thing as an "unbiased expert". Regardless of commercial motivation, or lack thereof, attaining a level of expertise in any field requires devoting a substantial amount of one's time and possibly other resources. Human nature being what it is, it is just about impossible for this to happen without some bias adhering. If there are 10 experts on any subject, there will be at least 11 opinions and the "truth will out".
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"Some of these manufacturers make significant contributions to the forums and would be missed if they were banned as a class."
I havn't seen any significant contributions during the last couple of years - to be honest.
They are here to sell.
All contributions need to be in line with their product portfolio first of all. Have you ever seen any of those guys admitting openly the obvious weaknesses of their products.
Unfortunately estimated > 90% of the people around here are without deep technical background. Those people are not able to question those "capacities". That's dangerous. Newer members won't even recognize those vendors backgrounds, which makes it even more difficult.
Valuable contributions you can find in open forums e.g on DIY-Audio...
...as long as the contributors stay non-commercial.
That's by law of nature.
Just to make it clear. My position is not about critising those vendors products. It's about attitude and ethics.
Those guys can easily open up their own vendor section over here.
It won't cost them an arm and a leg. They can even deduct the
associated cost from taxes.
The funny thing is that at other places some of the vendors are running their own vendor section. It's in fact an AA associated problem.
People - like you - who feel thrilled about their great contributions
could gather over in a vendor section. That wouldn't make any difference
to you.
It is that easy.
Enjoy.
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I would be interested in an answer to the original question which was -Digital Front End to consider besides SB Touch ?
Not bothered who contributes, without salesmen there would be no product and it is easy to filter their contributions out if required.
"without salesmen there would be no product "
For a few weeks I worked for a company that believed exactly that! That company bought our company and the first thing they did was fire the engineers because they were expensive and don't contribute anything to the bottom line. They doubled the sales force because they sell product. I left with the engineers and within a year that new company HAD NO PRODUCT TO SELL because they were no longer competitive in the marketplace. It turns out the engineers actually create the product!
> > I would be interested in an answer to the original question which was -Digital Front End to consider besides SB Touch ?
If there'd be one I probably had it already. ;)
IMO LMS must be the base. That leads to following alternatives:
You can run iOS/Android devices (4.1) as frontend with LMS player apps.
Next iPeng 1.6 will deliver 24/96 via USB on iPAd. Or you can use Pure I-20 dock. I'm waiting for my Sony Tablet Android 4.1 update. I'll then should be able to use my Sony tablet S as transport feeding an USB DAC.
Enjoy.
P.S: I do think you miss some background about the awful sales/marketing
discussion. You don't even get the message.
All this is ongoing since years.
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I do get the message, I just don't care.
Manufacturers are taking a reputational risk by posting on here and if they are found out then it is their pocket that get's hit.
From what I have seen they make valued contributions and it is a leap of imagination to think they are hoping for increased sales by posting here.
"Manufacturers are taking a reputational risk by posting on here and if they are found out then it is their pocket that get's hit."
That's a very vaild comment.
"From what I have seen they make valued contributions..."
You're subscribed to the forum since April this year. I do question that there have been many - if any - value contributions recently.
Of course "value" is a wide term. Some people feel thrilled by just talking to the grand master himself, who desgined and built their beloved baby.
However:
There is still a phrase I have in mind from a couple of weeks ago. I'll never forget that.
One of those manufacturers came up with the real face after a similar discussion.
Guess what he said??? "...Leave us alone...".
How stupid can a manufacturer be to risk his reputation (related to ethics), which might even have an impact on his overall business.
Within 5 minutes they could sign up for a vendor section and nobody (you might call me "nobody" ;) ) would care anymore.
All those "valuable" contributions would even end up at one place and would easily be trackable. You can't do better (marketing) than that. (Assuming, you have something to say!!!)
Enjoy.
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They know more than me, ok sure but that does not make someone an expert.
These experts are correct more often than the Novice but they are wrong more often than an "Expert" ought to be.
FWIW, there are other experts who are not members of the trade that post excellent, even handed, well informed posts.
The capitalistic mindset of these experts motivates them to steer every response to favor their product.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
"The capitalistic mindset of these experts motivates them to steer every response to favor their product. "
Phooie!
I've received thoughtful, personal advice from just about everyone of them, none of which was of the "just buy my stuff" nature. I actually make a point of reading small manufacturer's posts because you really do learn a lot when developing products in a niche market some of which is potentially useful to others even if not especially discernible in your own current offerings.
On the other hand, their products naturally reflect what they have come to regard as important, especially things that larger manufacturers may not explicitly control. That being the case is it any wonder then that these are the first things they look for in other designs?
Rick
These guys help a lot, and I want to hear what they have to say about the design of their products. They are clearly labeled as "manufacturers" -- I'm glad they participate and get some feedback from us 99%...
I actually make a point of reading small manufacturer's posts because you really do learn a lot when developing products in a niche market some of which is potentially useful to others even if not especially discernible in your own current offerings.
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Really????
I guess you haven't read "Its due to jitter" enough.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Is that even possible?
Nobody ever seem to rise to it's defense!
Rick
I'm afraid the rules dictates the opposite
No member of the trade shall use his/her business name, postal address, e-mail address, telephone number or URL as part of his/her moniker
The Well Tempered Computer
That's a real good one. I didn't realize that AA forces them to do their business incognito.
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