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In Reply to: RE: Ugh, just what I don't need posted by rbolaw on January 15, 2017 at 13:38:04
the cut that Reiner makes in the orchestral tutti in the middle of the first movement, makes me nuts.
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those RCA cheapskates. Little did they know we'd still be talking about that recording session 60+ years later. Today's hot babes and boy toys better be careful, some day they'll be old and wrinkled but their recorded legacy will still be crystal clear.
Was that recording done at Medinah or orchestra hall. I think the latter
Alan
According to jaschaheifetz.org. Good catch. Actually, I don't think the CSO began to record regularly at the Medinah Temple until circa 1968, so I wasn't thinking too clearly when I wrote that. Martinon and Solti recorded there.
Now that I remember it was Decca that did not like Orchestra hall and started using Medinah. Went to a couple of concerts at Medinah with Solti. Sound was terrible
Alan
Interesting. Orchestra Hall wasn't terrible imo, but it wasn't all that great either. I read that when Artur Rodzinski took the music director post with the CSO, he demanded that the CSO move out and was promptly fired as a result.
The Medinah Temple was just too big to work for a classical symphony orchestra concert, in my opinion. But that doesn't mean it couldn't work as a recording venue, right? Isn't that your area of expertise, Alan? I think RCA had better results using Symphony Hall in Boston, although I read they would put the orchestra in the audience area rather than on stage for recording.
The original orchestra hall where they did all the original great Living Stereo recordings was a great hall for recording and listening. But because the stage was so wide and shallow the musicians had a hard time hearing each other, so they did a major renovation pretty much ruining the acoustics. They have done a couple more renovations and have improved it some but it has never returned to its earlier glory. Boston is a great hall. When they used to record there they extended the stage out into the audience. I don't believe they do that any more. Also most recording today is of live concerts
Alan
Almost all classical music recordings whether done in the studio or live are edited. I used to love cutting tape
Alan
I think the cuts are justified.
Tchaikovsky ain't as tight as Beethoven, and beyond his 6th symphony, he could use some editing here and there. Ballet composers need to churn out a certain number of measures in blocks.
The same thing used to be said of the Rachmaninoff Second Symphony and Third Piano Concerto (with regard to cuts). I feel sorry that my "imprint" version of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto was one with the Auer cuts, but I also think that more and more violinists these days play the work with the cuts restored.
The Rach 2nd cuts, at least those used by Kurt Sanderling in his 1956 DG recording, go too far and hurt the overall result, imo. As you doutbless already know, the Rach 4th piano concerto was significantly revised and shortened by the composer. In some ways I like the original better.
Those elaborate lengthy development sections are very much part of the Rach aesthetic. Brevity and elegant classical restraint ain't his thing. I say, celebrate an artist for what he did best, don't complain that he didn't do something else.
Regarding the Fourth Concerto, I have the Rudy/Jansons EMI/Warner recording of the original last movement - I haven't heard the other two movements in their original form. In this case, it's a hard call for me to choose between the original and revised versions of the work. I like them both.
I think that Amphissa mentioned that he's heard the original version of the First Piano Sonata (said to be about 45 minutes long - sounds like a Second Symphony for piano solo!). I've never been able to find a performance or, for that matter, the sheet music to the original version of this work, but that's something I'd relish if I got the opportunity.
My favorite is Vadim Repin with Kirov orch and Valery Gergiev
Saw him do it live Very introspective but still with plenty of power
Alan
Edits: 01/15/17
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