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In Reply to: RE: Who woulda thunk it? New A. Davis Messiah recording in his own Beechamesque re-orchestration! posted by Chris from Lafayette on October 11, 2016 at 10:18:59
I love the Beecham; (I knew Beecham and Davis is no Beecham). I also love Parrot's with Kirkby. Why can't both be enjoyed without the Jihadesque absolutism? : )
Seriously, I hope Davis' is at least half as charming and endearing as Beecham's and if we're lucky, the Beecham will be out in 24 bit soon. (Britten's Peter Grimes Universal download was beyond my wildest expectations. More please!)
OT but eclassical has Gurrelieder available to sample in complete scenes. I swear Tove is a closet chain smoker-- gasps between almost every note!
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Typical glacial pace with the Chandos Classical Shop Download Manager however: one hour into it, and 10 of 46 tracks have been downloaded. (Of course, I do appreciate that 5.1 channels of a 24/192 bit depth and sample rate in a work of this length is a LOT of data!)
I'll check more of the Gurrelieder sample tracks later.
the new, more modern appearance and functionality of their website. Oh well... I'm happy at least that several of the newer Chandos releases are making their way to ProStudioMasters, which is much, much faster.
BTW, did you notice that the new Messiah was actually engineered by the Soundmirror folks? (Like the Toronto Sheherazade.)
Russell
Worst download experience ever! I'll report on it once I'm done (which may not be until tomorrow!).
I decided to give the FLAC 24/192 stereo download a try. After having to update both the downloader and the Adobe software I successfully downloaded the entire album in 2 hours 20 minutes (with no errors). The resulting downloaded folder is 3.66 G. This is on my "slowski" line from the phone company (10 mbps)! I know the surround files are bigger, but your experience is something else. Maybe its the extra time zones (I'm in Florida) that mess things up... ;)I hope to give it a listen tonight.
Edits: 10/12/16
. . . that the Chandos Download Manager doesn't like. I'm downloading the files separately now (without the download manager), and, just for comparison, the size of my folder so far is 2.22 GB - and that's just for the first ten tracks.
So maybe you'll be able to let us know what you think of the album before I even get half the tracks re-downloaded? ;-)
I downloaded and listened to the FLAC 24/192 stereo version using USB into my Oppo BDP-105. Overall nice sound quality--not cavernous like some Chandos. It is a live performance from late 2015. Lots of bass, including a lot of organ, but not too much bass, like BIS ;) . Chorus sounds good. I like the soloists except for the tenor. Recording not clear enough to make out all of the words in the chorus (but could be my system). At first the orchestra sounds small, but that might just be an intentional part of the interpretation--build up from the overture. There is much dynamic contrast. As far as the "extras", it's not Beecham/Goossens, but there is a lot of "extras" evident. Kind of a classy, polite version of Beecham/Goossens. Cymbals, snare drum, xylophone, tamborine, bass drum, tam-tam, triangle, etc. I think I heard trombones, too. Sounds like the Reese's of music: my HIP fell into a batch of Beecham.
It moves right along. My attention didn't wander. Good stereo image and depth.
What I'd love is for someone who's a little showy (The Dude?) to come out with a modern recording of the above-mentioned Goossens arrangement. That would be awesome.
I was away most of the day, and, as predicted, I've downloaded (manually) only 24 of the 46 tracks so far. (The size so far is 4.81 GB.)
If Davis' performance sounds like "polite" Beecham, that doesn't sound too promising - maybe I should have put my 40 pounds sterling to a better cause! ;-)
N
It was all Chinese hackers until about a year and a half ago - now you never hear about the Chinese, and it's been all Russians ever since! ;-)
Er, that IS with improved servers ! At least according to an email that they sent me a couple of months ago.
The Chandos I've downloaded so far have been OK; "warm," but not much of a soundstage.
For me, Soundmirror will always be the people responsible for the wonderful DSD remasterings of the RCA Living Stereo SACDs.
I think Soundmirror only engineered PentaTone's Pittsburgh Symphony releases. Most other PentaTones are done by their own engineers, many of whom are former Philips people. (Soundmirror also does the Pittsburgh Symphony recordings on Reference Recordings.)
Have you downloaded any of the recent Neeme Jarvi recordings on Chandos (e.g., Chabrier, Saint-Saens, Suppe, Sleeping Beauty, Swan Lake)? Just gorgeous sound, with plenty of soundstage (to me).
Russell
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I don't know what it is with the Classical Shop Download Manager and my computer. I checked my download speed a couple of days ago (on one of those third-party sites) and it showed up as 173mbps. So. . . there shouldn't be a problem, even with the large file sizes. But of course all sorts of other factors enter into the discussion - I've long wondered whether the download manager's use of Adobe Air has something to do with it. None of the other download sites that I know of use this product. I haven't downloaded anything from The Classical Shop in a long time (probably over a year), so of course I needed a download manager update, and then an Adobe Air update, and then the download finally started. OTOH, it's not that big a deal - I can be doing other stuff in the meantime.
It's actually faster for me NOT to use their download manager, but, OTOH, using the download manager helps keep the tracks organized and, for some reason, keeps the meta information more consistent.
And of course, my most famous story with the Classical Shop download experience was when I downloaded Jarvi's Swan Lake: it took almost two full days (i.e., almost 48 hours) to complete the download. All the other sites I've dealt with are super fast compared to the trickle of data I usually get with Chandos and The Classical Shop. Still, it doesn't bother me that much since the resulting audio files are usually outstanding.
I haven't downloaded anything from them yet because I've found their products elsewhere. Maybe anti viral software is interfering.
Only problem I've had -- using wifi to network-- is laptop "losing" Sony mid download, and sometime a segment of music is missing. I used wired connection now.
Still, enjoying listening immensely, and Sony's app turns my tablet into a cool, interactive album cover.
Please report that the Hallelujah Chorus includes trombones and cymbals... Fingers crossed :)
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