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In Reply to: RE: I thought you might mention that one! posted by rbolaw on August 30, 2016 at 12:06:19
"I'm trying to cut down on LPs."
A wise decision! ;-)
I just wanted to let folks know that there's another source for the Ludwig/LSO Mahler Ninth, and that's the reissue available at HD Tracks, where a German company, Countdown Media GmbH, was in charge of the re-mastering. It came out three years ago. I've heard neither this version nor the HDTT version - both are available in hi-rez incarnations which are probably overkill, considering the age of the original recording. BTW, I also agree with you about the Schwarz/LSO Mahler Fifth - a recording which was kindly provided to me by one of the members of this forum, and which I'm most grateful for.
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The digital v. analog/vinyl debate doesn't much interest me, I'm fine with new technology so long as its practical, easy to use, and of course sounds good.
But in the case of these old Everests, most were made on 35mm tape that produced stunning results, but unfortunately could also deteriorate quickly. I'd be interested to hear the HD Tracks high rez digital versions, which were apparently made with special hardware and software to compensate for the tape damage.
Vinyl Phanatic has original consumer tapes that sound even better than the original LPs. It would be great to compare them to the HD Tracks reissues.
Edits: 08/30/16
This one post-dates the problems with the vinyl deterioration, which was pretty much limited to the turquoise/silver label discs. The first pressing for the Ludwig 9th is the purple mountain label, which sounds pretty damned good to me. There was a reel tape issue, but only in a 4 track. the last 2 track issue was 3042, Mozart Serenades. I have not heard the Ludwig 9th 4 track, but overall I have had little luck with Everest 4 track tapes, so I usually don't go out of my way to seek them out.
Yes - that's correct about the 35mm tape deterioration. I think Botanico posted a link to an excellent article a couple of years ago showing how badly deteriorated the Everest 35mm films were.
Regarding the Everest consumer tapes, that's what HDTT uses for their remasterings/reissues (for the most part). I guess the only way to find which is best is to obtain both the HD Tracks and the HDTT versions, but that exercise would be a little pricey - especially from HD Tracks.
It would be interesting to compare. HDTT does use consumer tapes, but almost always they are 2 track tapes. In this case, there is no 2 track commercial issue. The page says that it is done from a 15 ips 2 track tape, so it can't be a consumer tape in any case. You'd love to think that it was an actual 1st generation safety copy from Everest that he got to use on condition of keeping quiet about it, but who knows? It wouldn't surprise me if it were from one of the Russian (or other) "Safety Copy" tapes that are floating around these days (which I have a few of, and FWIW, can be damned good!).
This one sold recently on eBay. Link to another one below. These are probably copied from tapes that were distributed to radio stations. I have a couple that I bought from the same seller which are great.
I wouldn't go back to it now though......
Or did I misread you when you said you've only just recently come to appreciate Mahler and to really listen in earnest to the various recordings? Anyway, the one Amazon review (5 stars - aren't they all?) claims that the Ludwig/SkD is a pretty straightforward performance, with no wallowing. (I haven't heard it myself.)
Mahler's 4th was the only work of his I knew for years. I had the Ludwig 4th on Heliodor - a cheaper re-issue of DG.
My father was very hostile to opera or singing in general after about the Messiah, though he was a decent self-taught musician and played Bach every day. At home the radio was switched off if any kind of operatic singer came on. So I had absolutely no grounding in the vocal repertoire.
I came to opera and lieder very late - in my 50s probably. I then grew to love Wagner, Janacek, R.Strauss, Schubert. I'm still discovering a lot of stuff, like Mahler and Berg. I was classically trained and played in orchestras for a couple of years, but after that I played jazz. I'm very familiar with a lot of the repertoire, but there are some notable gaps.
My tastes in music have changed over the years - I always listened to a lot of Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Falla, Ravel, Debussy and such. Much later I discovered Scriabin, R.Strauss, Janacek and now Mahler. I also dropped music that I no longer identified with. I never listen to Mozart, Haydn, Vivaldi or Handel. Just not interested and doesn't move me. I still listen to Bach and Beethoven, however. They'll never go away. They both transcended the times they lived in. Mozart, Haydn and Handel didn't, for me. Others will of course disagree.
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