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...regards...tr
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The term "genius" is quite overused and is starting to have no real
meaning. I know of no musical geniuses in my lifetime in my areas of
musical interest. I know of MANY highly talented people, though.
Prince was an artist that my children followed. I just thought of him as a well marketed pop star until this morning. I have really have been rocked back on my heels as to how much of genius he was.
He played all the instruments on his first album. He was proficient at playing 27 musical instruments. Unlike so many musical icons before him, he was a very private individual. Little is known of his private life. He was a celebrity that was still a common man.
There have been many reports of Prince performing unannounced at small venues after having played for thousands just hours before. He seemed to enjoy playing, and he performed songs of other artist at these impromptu performances. It seemed he realized he had to interface with the common man without all the trappings of stardom.
I have learned, so very much about the enigma that is Prince, this last day or so. He was prolific and apparently recorded all the time. I have been pleasantly surprised at the number of artist who performed works by Prince either knowingly or via a pseudonym. For those that only think of Prince as a pop performer they would be surprised to know how often he collaborated with classical conductors and other artist of other musical disciplines.
In keeping with the polymath of the man, he was known to seek out and engage some of the greater minds of today in philosophy, sociology, and economics. He was able to negotiate as a very young man super record deals. He wise beyond his years.
I am not as much of a pop follower, but my son played a studio session recorded by Prince when he was 19. To my surprise it was all straight ahead Jazz - no vocals. It isn't clear as to which instruments were played (or not played) by Prince during this studio session. I think we are just at the brink of hearing the what the genius has recorded. Shelia E claims she recorded at least 100 songs with Prince that have never been released.
The more the media has eulogized this man the more I am inclined to the title genius. I look forward to hearing the recordings he made that are not so pop oriented. I regret I did not take greater not of Prince while he was with us.
DaveT
The only 2 geniuses I can think of in my lifetime are Albert Einstein
and Richard Feynman, both of whom changed radically they way in which
we view the world and the way in which physics is "done". Did Prince
do this for music?
In the field of music, the only two musicians whom I would consider
anywhere close to genius level are Earl Hines and Art Tatum. Tatum
has been imitated, Hines never has been.
I think you are confusing a high level of musical talent with the invention
of new or previously unused ways of playing said music. Prince was
apparently very highly talented, but he didn't do anything new or unusual.
He just did the usual things very well.
When Doves Cry was the first R&B hit to not have a bass line on the track..... that was both new and unusal....but of course, you already knew that.
Edits: 04/25/16
Most of Prince's best music has not been heard by most. I have been following Prince since the late 70s. His output is staggering.
it is the QUALITY of his output that is staggering.
Whoever ends up in charge of his estate will have enough music available
to make the continuing Miles Davis and Bob Dylan canons look slim by comparison.
If they ever organize a Prince bootleg series it could compete with the
Grateful Dead for mass. Would be MUCH more interesting too, IMO.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Yes...the quality is staggering.
Staggering, especially his 80's output.
I'm reading the flu?!
Wow.
Genius?
Oh, yes. That's right. In the pop/rock world, anyone making any kind of noise whatsoever and thereby gaining public attention is an "artist", a "recording artist", and a "genius".
And, in our post-60s relativistic world, we're all geniuses.
Rock on.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Prince was one of the best ever at "packaging" his music product..... He was able to present himself as a "Michael Jackson alternative", without being too much like Jackson..... Aside from that, his music never did much for me, it never struck me as having much "depth" which for me makes music "great"....... (But this is so subjective.... The person next to me might think Prince's music had "depth" in spades.... And I can't really argue.)
Genius is subjective..... Prince is original.... He's unique.... He was effective in presenting his product..... I'd give him the "genius" label, since so few artists have been able to attain all those attributes. Like Bruce Springsteen, not my cup of tea, but appreciate the body of work
If you ever have time, go back and listen to Prince's very first album For You. Produced, Arranged and Composed by Prince. He was a ridiculous arranger.
A body of work indeed!
Maybe you could post some of your own music so we can hear just how much better you are than all these incompetent modernists and pop musicians.
Weren't you gushing over System Of A Down here just a few years ago?
dh
...I watched the ABC World News tonight and they did at least 10 minutes - half their broadcast - on Prince's death, his music and the tributes from luminaries like President Obama.
maybe not you.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
He was a musical genius. His work from I'm Yours Through Sign of the Times was monumental...not only that, but his influence on other musicians was also staggering. See recent article to see what others think....really a genius. May not be your cup of tea musically but his talent is undeniable. I just picked up his Crystal Ball release two weeks ago. I had not listened to Prince in years. The last disc in the set was all acoustic guitar. BRILLIANT. I sent a disc I compiled out to a HS friend today and then a few hours later I heard he had died. Just completely shook me up. I had the pleasure of seeing him in concert a few times. I wish I had seen him more.
Edits: 04/21/16
...no we're not all geniuses.
But then I'm only speaking for myself.
Hey theres no Prince in my collection but he was very talented. He played many instruments, had a wide vocal range, produced and wrote for others often with a pseudonym. He definitely had his own sound too. I never saw him live but did see a DVD and he was a great guitarist when stretching out live. He did Purple Rain at 25 again not my thing but it was pretty well done. Ward you're being to hard on the BeaverET
Edits: 04/21/16 04/21/16
Sources say that Prince actually was a very interesting polymath of sorts. Maybe A BIT more poly than math, but polymath nonetheless.
RIP
My hope is that he was not in the same vein, as Michael Jackson?
R.I.P.
it's wait and see.
...regards...tr
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