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In Reply to: RE: CUT........................... posted by Todd Krieger on June 11, 2012 at 22:18:18
>> You're distorting Mike's original statement...... He said 95 percent of live *pop* music is either lip-sync'ed or played back....... I'm not sure if it's actually that high, but I'm certain it is high nonetheless.>>
That's nice. Since when has any of the examples I used to rebut his assertion fallen out of the general category of pop?
What exactly is "high?" some might see 1% as high.
>> Personally, if I thought he exaggerated the number, which might be the case, I'd maybe question the number....... But IMO, he's nailed the problem with most popular music today, exaggerated or not.>>
"The problem?" really this is "he" problem?
Either you think he exaggerated the number or you don't think he exaggerated the number. Which is it. I think he pulled it out of his ass and it is way off.
>>From me personally, what I find disappointing is the militant attitude from those either defending or denying the practice of faking performance.......>>
And who here is actually doing that? Smells like a burning straw mane to me.
>> And it's about time the few real music critics remaining developed a backbone and started going on the offensive........ As far as I'm concerned, the inmates have been running the asylum. For too long.>>
As far as I am concerned it's funny when one inmate calls another inmate crazy in any asylum.
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95 percent of music being lip-synced is not the same as 95 percent of pop music being lip-synced or played back.............
> > Personally, if I thought he exaggerated the number, which might be the case, I'd maybe question the number....... But IMO, he's nailed the problem with most popular music today, exaggerated or not.> >
"The problem?" really this is "he" problem?
You think it's *not* a problem? I think it's a terminal problem! A grave problem...... The entertainment is trying to pass faked music as real. That's not a problem??
Either you think he exaggerated the number or you don't think he exaggerated the number. Which is it. I think he pulled it out of his ass and it is way off.
A fair opinion....... You might be right..... But I think trying to split hairs over the details digresses to the fact it's a terminal problem. That's my point.
> > From me personally, what I find disappointing is the militant attitude from those either defending or denying the practice of faking performance.......> >
And who here is actually doing that?
You think you're not actually doing that?
Smells like a burning straw mane to me.
So what is the reality, from your perspective? I'm open eyes and ears. Thank you.
> > > "The problem?" really this is "he" problem?> > >
> > You think it's *not* a problem? I think it's a terminal problem! A grave problem...... The entertainment is trying to pass faked music as real. That's not a problem??> >
Todd you talk about things being taken out of context. Certainly you understand the huge difference between saying something is "the" problem compared to saying something is "a" problem. Is it "a" problem? Depends on the circumstance. If it is a concert I payed to go see then yes it is a problem. If it is the national anthem at the superbowl then no, it is not a problem. Is it "the" problem? No, there is no one singular problem in music today. There are many problems of varying degrees.
> > > Either you think he exaggerated the number or you don't think he exaggerated the number. Which is it. I think he pulled it out of his ass and it is way off.> > >
> > A fair opinion....... You might be right..... But I think trying to split hairs over the details digresses to the fact it's a terminal problem. That's my point.> >
How is it splitting hairs? It is IMO an outrageous claim.
> > > > From me personally, what I find disappointing is the militant attitude from those either defending or denying the practice of faking performance.......> > > >
> > > And who here is actually doing that?> > >
> > You think you're not actually doing that?> >
Not even close. I am saying the number claimed at 95% is ridiculous and completely made up. You do understand that there is a substantial world of possibilities between 95% and 0% do you not? I personally cited three examples of lip syncing that I personally witnessed. So do tell me how am I either denying or defending the practice of faking a performance?
> > > Smells like a burning straw mane to me.> > >
> > So what is the reality, from your perspective? I'm open eyes and ears. Thank you.> >
The reality is that it has happened since the beginning of recorded music and sometimes it is an act of fraud and sometimes it has simply been a benign thing that some programs prefer when having live acts. It's nothing new and it is not nearly as common as the claim of 95%. "Most" rock/pop artists really do play their music live when they perform in concert. TV appearances are more a function of what the show wants than what the artist wants. IMO that is the reality.
t
You're 110% correct 200% of the time.
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