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In Reply to: RE: +2 posted by rbolaw on March 23, 2012 at 08:48:34
What particularly irritates me about conductors refusing to perform the Mahler 10 (at least the Cooke version), is that Cooke only filled in enough holes so that it could be performed in order to give audiences -- specifically people who lack a high skill level at reading sheet music -- the opportunity to hear what Mahler had in mind for the 10th. Depriving audiences of this opportunity for reasons such as it lacks "the contrapuntal element in Mahler's writing" strikes me as snobbish. Who exactly is being harmed by playing it?
Another irony of not playing the 4th movement to the Bruckner 9 is all of the different versions of the other symphonies that are floating around out there, including the Haas version of the 8th, which despite including several measures composed by Haas, it's the preferred version of the 8th for many prominent conductors.
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I agree on both points. If you compare Mahler's orchestration of the 9th symphony to Cooke's version of the 10th, the 10th does sound somewhat spartan and lean IMO, but had Cooke filled it out more, I'm sure there would be outrage and protests that it was tasteless and overdone. With Bruckner's 9th, like you I see no reason to accept whatever Haas or earlier Bruckner editors did to the other symphonies and yet reject any completed version of the 9th.
As I said, IMO it's the historical circumstances of the completion of Mozart's Requiem that makes it acceptable for many to view that as a finished work and not Mahler's 10th or Bruckner's 9th. To me, that's completely arbitrary.
Both of you...I hadn't thought about it quite from these angles, just that the 9th made sense to me in a more fundamental way when I first heard it in four movements. Knowing that Bruckner intended it to be four movements, and composed most of that last movement, to me means that anyone who plays it without the last movement is not in fact doing justice to the intentions of the composer.
Another point on Mahler...he normally made extensive changes to his symphonies after performing them. He never heard Das Lied or the 9th...so if we don't play the 10th, because it is just a realization....wouldn't logic demand that the 9th and Das Lied also not be played since they don't reflect the composer's final thoughts?
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