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In Reply to: RE: canned goods posted by Davey on January 17, 2017 at 15:32:30
That is the sole and unique goal of the hobby. Why rail against it.
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The "sole and unique goal?" You're kidding, right??Subjective evaluation is only the final (small) piece of a design objective that produces all these various products. Your statement is equivalent to putting the cart before the horse.
Dave.
Edits: 01/17/17
You already have a well designed crossover and not redesigning it so yes, Sole and unique goal. The measurements and concepts of technical perfection are only important as the path to getting to desired subjective performance.
That might be YOUR "sole and unique goal." As long as you're only speaking for yourself, I don't have a problem with it. But don't be ascribing your evaluation acumen to me....or anybody else.
BTW, a true subjectivist would say "the measurements and concepts of technical perfection" are irrelevant.
You're going to twist yourself into a pretzel on this. Be careful.
Dave.
My work ToDo list has grown so long I may never get around to experimenting with crossover components on my 1.7s. If I were going to experiment I would prefer to know in advance how to measure an audible difference for example lower distortion or a smoother frequency response curve in REW. If it is possible to measure an audible change and I lack the tools to measure I can still hear the audible change I just can't prove I heard it. So my assertion that an audible change occurred would be objective even if false because it can be proven or disproven by someone with the appropriate tools.
I found a couple of relevant articles that suggest changing components may be audible in some cases but they don't provide any before and after tests:
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/loudspeaker-myths-and-truths/loudspeaker-myths-crossovers-bracing-drivers-oh-my
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/crossovers/identifying-legitimately-high-fidelity-loudspeakers-crossover-coils-capacitors
Perhaps understood by all but: the statement that coating my speaker cables with mustard smooths the frequency response of mid base is objective because it can be proven false. The statement that coating my speaker cables with mustard induces inner harmony is subjective because it cannot be proven or disproven.
On the other hand I may not know what I am doing with REW :|.
You need more mustard on your pretzels. :)
I'm not sure why folks are intent on blending the line between subjective and objective evaluations. It's black and white. There's is no gray area with regard to discussion on one of those evaluations.
This particular case is an interesting one because we're making the assumption that the crossover was duplicated exactly....component value wise. But, supposedly subjectively superior components were substituted. However, there must be the possibility said components might deteriorate the subjective performance???? :)
Cheers,
Dave.
I married the perfect woman. The downside is everything that goes wrong is my fault.
I've got some better wheels for that cart; exact same circumference and mass, but they roll better...
I married the perfect woman. The downside is everything that goes wrong is my fault.
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