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Batwoman and I have really embraced riding. This weekend we did about 10 miles each on Saturday and Sunday but now I find that so much time in the seat has bruised the old prostate (ouch). It's healing fine but it's clear that I'm going to have to do something preventative.Now I know why the only folks one sees riding recumbent's are old men. I am not ready for that yet!
So, clearly I need some padded britches and a new seat, either a bench or a grooved one. Searching on the web for these topics is almost like asking about digital/analog here, everyone has an opinion. Any and all advice, espcially from real geezers, would be appreciated.
And yes, I'm sure this is related to riding the bike, no need to tell me to see a doctor :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
Edits: 06/20/12Follow Ups:
Just stick it out as is, your keaster will toughen up.
nummnutz!
Bill's Audio Cave
But I now see that I'm somewhat late to the party....
Jim
Simplify.
The owner of my LBS suggested I try pants before I put out the bucks for a seat. One of the reasons I like this guy is that he doesn't' try to sell things he doesn't think you need.
Look at me, I'm gonna be just like JimK :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
Previously, you weren't ......?
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Naked coed bike riding?
Bill's Audio Cave
spandex pants on his ass anytime soon :-) Sarah's laughing her ass off!
Bill's Audio Cave
My biking shorts consist of two layers- a padded "spandex" inner layer, and an outer layer to make them look like normal shorts.Something like this (and link), but not this exact model:
So with all due respect, please tell Miss Sarah to wipe that "I told you so!" smirk off her face! :)
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
And I can't decide on whether to get a pair like you show or to get a pair of padded underwear and then wear my own shorts (or trousers in the fall) over top.
At any rate, thanks for the suggestions and I'll tell Sarah that you said to STFU :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
So far I have her fooled into thinking I'm a nice guy!
Jim
Simplify.
...the tighter (and usually the sillier looking) the better.
Anything baggy just makes thing worse.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
that it pushes your nuts back in your abdomen, but it should keep everything in the same place where you adjusted it. Baggy will chafe after a few hours. I have ridden several century rides to let you know that after about 5 hours anything can be a problem :). The Performance ultra shorts have been better than my ultra expensive Gore bike bibs...heck when on sale you can buy several pairs for the price the Gore cost me. Performance has a sale right now you can get their best shorts 50% off. (the price not the shorts).
Speaking of bike weights,,,2 pounds does nto make a difference, 10 does. The other thing a modern carbon bike does rides much smoother than any metal frame can, few legendary steel frames will be stiffer and more damped than a good modern carbon bike. Some of the new carbon bikes will have a dead feel to them, but the better ones are a lot livelier and more fun to ride than any steel frame. Talking about old dudes and rides...
We have a friend who has a blown knee, but has been riding our neck of the woods for 40+ years. He knows every pothole and he can run all of us ragged while he is riding on a steel fixie with sawn ups. When he is on his carbon Colnago or Pinarello bike, he regularly pushes the weakest ones up the hills, and keeps going back and forth between the pack leader and the slackers including me., So experience counts for more than the bike. A good bike does not make you much faster, but it makes you comfortable for very long rides, and makes every minute enjoyable. The difference between a Shimano Dura Ace grouppo and the Ultegra is not operation, but, how well it holds adjustments, and how well it will behave when it is pushed to extremes, the same is true for all the others, like SRAM and Campanoglo, their best stuff is built for extreme performance and extreme reliability. But when it is in regular use the difference is not that great, it is just a bit nicer. I have an older Trek Madone with Dura Ace components, my wife's Madone 5.1 has Utegra, i have to adjust her Bike once or twice a season, mine can go a couple without touching a single thing. But you know biking is much like audio, yes you can listen to music very well with a pair of Spendor BC1s and an old quad amp, sourcing all from a nice rega table, but hey a SME 30 with a soundlab majestic 945 driven by atmasphere ma2s will sound nicer :)
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
...and I've had ample opportunity to. I know I'd like it and want it. But, I don't need it.Same reason why I don't go into audio stores anymore ...what I have is good enough for me. I don't need temptation.
I got to drive a Ferrari Modena recently. I want one, but can't afford one ...so no temptation there.
Good to hear Colnago and Pinarello are still around and that folks still ride sew-ups. Back when I was keeping up with the sport I wanted a Serrota or a CIOCC. Are they still around?
Thanks for the good read.
Dean.
edited for speling
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Edits: 06/21/12
Serotta is still around, they make custom bikes
http://www.nichedistributions.com/serotta
I think Ciocc is defunct, but do not quote me on that. I had a Ciocc MOCKBA frame made for commemorating the 1980 olympics, was left here by a friend who lived with us for a while and it was just a tad bit big for me so i gave it away :). My friend who makes me tired on rides has it....David, who left the frame here, was his friend to start with and David also owed him a bunch of stuff over the years, i felt it was my duty to give it to him and the frame is more like his size anyway :).
Pinarello makes some incredible bikes, the Dogma 6.2 is apparently the new king of the road but at around 12K is a bit out of most people's reach, me included :) Bianchi is another holdout in the italian bunch, Colnago is well and alive....
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I rode a Basso until my close encounter with a Metro-Dade bus 20 years ago. That was chromalloy steel but they're fully into carbon now I see and the prices at this site I picked off Google not too bad.
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
...and I'll take the one in the link ...because I am old and set in my ways.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Glad they are still in production..
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I don't want to emphasize that I have no ass! Sarah tells me that all the time. So, I would prefer tight ones with a pair of regular britches over top.
Bill's Audio Cave
1. I don't wanna go around causing undue and irreparable harm to impressionable, young minds, you know?
2. At the speeds I ride (seldom over 21 MPH), wind resistance isn't an issue.
3. I do own several pair of "typical" bike shorts (but don't tell Bill, ok?), but to be perfectly honest, until I drop another 10 pounds or so, I'm just not all that comfortable wearing them on group/"social" rides as I'm a little self-conscious....
Jim
Simplify.
...and when I wear them I simply don't get off the bike until I am back home in the garage.
Speaking of wind resistance, I thought it funny when I got that pitch when buying various bike parts. I would always say to the salesman "You do understand that I will be on the bike?"
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Along that same theme, several of my bicycling friends are trying to get me to step-up to a carbon road bike. Their reasoning? Less weight.My response: "Why am I going to worry about a few measly ounces on the bike, when I have pounds that need to be shed on my body?"
So far no one has been able to adequately answer that one....
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
...they call me "the old man with the steel bike".
My frame is steel, but hey, I'm only 53, hardly old.
I wonder what they would think of my turntable? I wonder if they've ever seen one?
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
And I find it somewhat amusing to watch the younger guys with their $3,500 carbon bikes (and limited skills) get "taken to the cleaners" by the older riders with their steel frames....and years of experience.Yet another reason I will not buy a carbon bike: I don't wish to be seen as a poseur.....
(But I have to admit that I've been taking a good, hard look at Cannondale's Synapse 5 Alloy (aluminum)...)
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
I recall being loaned one of the first aluminum Cannondales back in '84 or '5 to try while the steel Basso was being serviced. A couple of laps of Turnberry Country Club was all it took to conform the super-quick handling and ass-torturing stiffness and angle of the frame.
Doing a century on aluminum would be unthinkable.
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
However, they've come-up with something they call the "SAVE" frame, which allows the rear frame to flex (somewhat) vertically to absorb shock, but retains side-to-side rigidity (link). Based on what I've been reading in the bike forums, as well as from speaking with a couple people that have this, the consensus seems to be "thumbs up"....
I can't afford carbon Bill, nor am I into this enough to justify the expense. The SAVE frame seems to offer some of the benefits of carbon (smoother ride, lighter weight than steel) without having to shell-out the cash....
Of course, I'll take one for a lengthy test ride (30-40 miles) before I plunk down the money, should I ever be so lucky to find myself with some "extra cash"....
Jim
Simplify.
but I knew what you meant...carry on...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Edits: 06/21/12
Seems to work fine for me, but then, I'm probably not in touch with my inner prostate.
The good seats apparently all hurt a bit until you adjust to them through use.
But thanks, though, I never even thought about my prostate, now I am going to worry about it squishing apart every time I get on the bike, one more thing to be paranoid about.
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1103388_-1___400020
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
Bought a pair on line this morning. 39 bucks and free shipping!
Bill's Audio Cave
The padding is ultra nice in them
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
You might find better info on health sites regarding old men versus bike saddles.
Probably something with a gelled split seat would be interesting.
...and by a lot I mean 300 miles a week ...I went through a half dozen saddles before I found the right one ( a San Marco). It was the smallest saddle I had tried. Coupled with biking shorts with chamois padding, it was the best combination I had tried ...and at the time I was 6' and right about 200 lbs.
But, I think the answer will be different for everyone.
I think there are so many saddles to choose from for the same reason there are so many speakers to choose from ...personal taste.
Good luck !
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
than the wide seats, at least on longer rides.
With a thin seat, you can shift from left to right periodically and give one side a break. With a thick seat, it takes longer to work up discomfort but then there is nothing to do about it.
I can't quite identify the frame, maybe of the high end Austro Daimlers? 200 pounds is big for a 6'roadie riding 300 miles per week. You must have been lifting or getting other upper body exercise. Sprinters aside most roadies look like distance runners from the waist up.
I hope you still have that bike for at least the Nuovo Record gruppo.
...I took it up to lose weight. I started at over 250 and lost about 50 pounds in 6 months. I got down to 180 at one point and folks thought I looked sickly, so put some weight back on.
You know your bikes ...it is an Austro Daimler (Reynolds 531 frame) with mostly Nuovo Record equipment and Modolo Pros brakes.
I still have it and it looks just the same.
Sadly, no more 40 mile/day outings ...but I take it out when I can ...and the saddle hurts like hell!
The only thing that gets rid of that is more time in the saddle.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I used to own a 531 Puch (the less glamorous version) and I lusted after the flashier A-Ds so I had a leg up in the ID.
I still have a small stable of nice bikes which hardly get ridden anymore. I don't think I'll ever see two hundred or three hundred mile weeks again but I keep telling myself that I ought to be able to ride at least a hundred a week - maybe after I retire.
I never rode a Selle San Marco Concors but I did have a Rolls for awhile. I mostly rode the Selle Italia Turbos. I think I still have several Turbos, a Rolls, a Flite and maybe an old leather Ideal kicking around.
...when I retire.
I wonder what that will be like at 80 years old.
;-)
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Avoid the big squishy saddles and the shorts with the mega padding. Over a couple miles they may feel great but stretch that to twenty plus and things change. Part of the reason that there is little agreement about seats is that riding positions, types of riders and anatomy vary greatly. You want a saddle that is wide enough to support the ischium (the part of the pelvis contacting the seat) but not substantially wider. Some people benefit from a grooved seat while it doesn't seem to make much difference for other riders. Selle Italia has been the benchmark in racing saddles for decades but some of the newer brands like Fizik are also good. Another route some people take is alter the really old school (not used in racing since the 1960s because of weight) Brooks or Ideal leather saddles but since these are over $100 saddles you want to have a very clear idea of how and what you intend to accomplish before you start cutting. These leather saddles will mold to your anatomy to an extent but it takes some time and use and they continue to change (albeit slowly) over time. Modern saddles built over a plastic or carbon fiber base do not mold to you, you adapt to them, although a few have some adjustment. Sorry but there is no one-size-fits-all answer.
Not a one size fits all. Think I'll look and see what my LBS has.
Good advice about the narrow seat, I would have thought otherwise but your suggestion makes perfect anatomical sense. The Selle and Serfa's look like good possibilities. Perhaps I can demo some at my LBS.
Bill's Audio Cave
This old, fat man bikes an average 5 miles, with up to 1200 feet in elevation change, in the Forest daily, some of it actually on the bike.
That doesn't translate well to road biking because Mt Biking you're out of the saddle a lot more, but I use a Specialized Sonoma Gel which is slotted for the peri--whatsis bones and kinda not too narrow not to wide. And it's <$50 bucks.
I imagine you get to go up a lot of hills in your area; do it standing. Coast standing. Ride no hands as much as possible, it moves you forward on your seat. On steep downhills move your butt behind and off the seat, lowering your center of gravity as well as giving your prostate a break.
Stop at every bar and bakery along the way.
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
I love the description on the page below: "The Specialized Sonoma saddle is made for those who want an in-between saddle. It needs to be comfortable, but not resemble something you would find at Tractor Superstore."
As you say, 50 bucks, not bad!
I fall down a lot:
Come and join Eddie and me in Bent Creek Forest
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Has a fool for a patient!
Great advice except most of our riding is level so the problem is I'm in the saddle most of the time. Of course I could stand and coast for brief periods of time, but I think the real need is some kind of slotted gel seat.
We already do have our favorite wine bar to stop at along the way, it's the civilized thing to do. There's a bicycle bar up the street from there but all they do is drink beer and eat granola :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
Maybe a grooved gel seat is what you want. There are all kinds.
Brian Walsh
Everyone knows which one is best :-)There are many grooved ones and it appears that finding the right one is a matter of trial and error, which could get expensive at 50 bucks or more a pop.
Bill's Audio Cave
Edits: 06/20/12
the only thing wrong with it is, you have to wear the dang thing backward, or is it inside out?....Please let us know the outcome of it.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Edits: 06/20/12
Those aren't made LARGE ENOUGH for me :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
Later Gator,
Dave
As far as I could see it as I have never wore them. Perhaps, some jocks in here could add some insights into the matter with regards of how to wear them properly.
Anyway, I hope that the weather in Miami is fine today, ours is as usual calling for more rain today. If this rain continues until the fall I have a feeling that we will be turning into mushrooms that grow in a circle...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Later Gator,
Dave
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