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Is it not for notice that we post anything on a board such as we have here? Is an answer based on previous knowledge and intuitive thought meant to be read by more than just the questioner? I post this as a sort of troll if the answer is yes to the previous queries. I believe, and it may seem quite presumptuous and overly sure of myself to state this, that the posters here are among the more intelligent, witty, and humorous of many of the good and gentle folks at the other asylum "rooms."Notice that I did not say that we WERE the most intelligent...only that we are, in fact, a special collection of remarkable wits, and even of more interest, our gathering here was almost an overnight affair! I surely could have said we were the most intellectual of all if the extreme definition of troll is what I wished to achieve.
I write this as an exercise, not only for myself, but for the others who wish to conjecture and comment, for this is, as stated above (by those definitions) a troll. I must admit, and I think that if everyone is truthful they too will agree that we always desire to see discourse on anything we write in these hallowed halls of hearing horrors.
It is when we take the risk of baring ourselves that we determine who we would care to be friends with, although many miles separate us and we may never see those friends face to face, so that those "trolls" are but phrases placed within a crowd to identify like souls, people whose interests are much like our own. We are all interested in music, we are all interested in the presentation of recorded music, but we all are far more complex than those simple facts will allow. It is a given idea! How we identify those complexities, those differences is through our trolls.
Let me backtrack for a moment and state that the poster who states a concrete thought that is subtlety antagonistic or openly so is a true "troll." But, that person too is perhaps looking to separate the wheat from the chaff.
So I ask of all, am I correct to assume, as I have written above, that we are all trolling for someone to take our hooks, to reveal how they think and by that, identifying those who we wish to befriend. In some ways these ideas could be likened to a new kid in school, trying to identify those who will be his friends and those who will be his enemies.
Yes, I know there is no simple answer because we can learn from those who we identify as people we would definitely not like as friends, complicating the entire question. However, I know some very deep and great friendships have developed at the asylum and, as I write this I realize that although that has happened to me, the extreme opposite has not. I have wondered why some are so belligerant, why some rarely have anything nice to say...but, perhaps thankfully, I have not learned to hate anyone...and that may be the true wonder of this entire entity we call the asylum.
I call upon your conjecture and the words that might ensue.
Follow Ups:
This is the weirdest place in the Asylum. Kind of like a touchy-feely, PC, "Outside" with everybody on quaaludes. Like a continuous sugar overdose.Group Hugs?
Group Slugs, baby!!
Kapow!!!
;-)
WHAM!
ZAM!
CRACK!
KERPLUEY!
SNARK!
BAM!
THORK!
HROFF!
QUACK!
OINK!
YAK!
I was getting to those other ones. . . .
Yeah?just skimmed this thread, at warp speed.
Well it is nice to know that I no longer have to worry whether I am really just a complete troll, or just trolling a little bit, cos it will depend on someone's point of view, what I appear to them to be doing.
and I knew that anyway,
I think. ummmm!
;-)
timbo
Can't you learn to use the search engine? You cretin!Oops sorry, I must have picked up that bad habit over on GENERAL. ;0)
Well, I've read your post about four times and you bring up some interesting points. One thing I really enjoy about the asylum is that it's open to all comers. As you state, our common ground is an enjoyment of music and the myriad ways to create or reproduce it. So in that context we all can inquire, question, expound, prod, poke fun, or whatever else we do and try to make a connection with one another.
In life, there are things that can seperate us from one another --such as regional location, education, race, religion, and income. This asylum is a great equalizer as it is open to anyone with a computer and keyboard and an ability to communicate in English. Now that will exclude a lot of peope in this world, but it INCLUDES people I would have never gotten to know otherwise and have grown richer from due to their insight, humor, experience in audio and in life.
I use the various asylums to achieve a goal mostly. I spent a lot of time on the DIY asylum when I was researching how to upgrade my amp with premium parts. Recently, I've posted and read a lot on the speaker asylum because that's what I'm upgrading now. This Central Asylum isn't so much about the various pieces of audio as it is about the aspects of human relationships we are willing to share with one another. But I must disagree on one minor point. You seem to say we post because we are "looking for friends". I would state that we post our thoughts, experiences and opinions because we want to make a connection with others; and that the posts that resonate and seem to fit help us develop friendships.
we just want a **HUG**See? was that so hard to admit?
KP
Group Hug, Group Hug.KP, you have a way of cutting to the chase (in a weird sort of way)
HowdyI'm sure Mrs. Piggy could fill us in...
-Ted
To answer my own question: in some ways, yes, every post is troll-like to the extent that each post is requesting attention of some sort, or at least fishing for knowledge from one of the other inmates. Or better, as Bagsgroove stated quite nicely below: a sense of community.And a cyber community is an interesting one indeed. The asylum provides that sense of community by allowing those of us with this rather esoteric hobby to meet and chat with each other. "Inmate Central", in particular, shows us that we are interested as much in community as in audio--we don't have to talk about audio to have this sense of community.
That being said, there seems to be a fundamentally different quality to the actual trolls. Posts such as Muzikmike's are requesting an honest EXCHANGE of communication, a sharing of sorts, and an openness.
Trolls, such as many by "sane audiophile" in General, are not interested in exchange of information; "sane" does not appear to be interested in communication, exchange of information; rather s/he appears interested in collecting as many responses as possible, putting them in his/her little leather pouch, and dancing on to the next rather meaningless post.
I've blabbered on long enough...nice original post, and thoughtful responses...
Cetaele (aka Bob)
I propose.....If someone posts, - who most would agree, - with the intention of posting a known and obvious contentious statement or position hoping to spark an argument with no intention of participating in subsequent posts, - that post/they are, - considered a troll....
How does that sound??
.
yep, that sounds about right!
Cetaele (aka Bob)
NT
Thanks for your thoughts, Mike. You ought to be a writer. Or something. And KP too. Your post below confirms something I've always suspected--the Class Clown is usually the smartest kid in the room. Likewise Chris "9 Inch" Redmond. And Bosh, and dennzio, and SETdude (how's Sis's pregnancy coming, by the way?) and psgary and Mrs. Piggy and...well, the folks who hang out in this room. Yes, there are some serious jerks who hang around AA (not seen any yet in this forum...), and the one thing that stands out about them is that they seem to have NO SENSE OF HUMOR! This is, by the way, the reason that Romy is looked upon with some grudging affection (well, sometimes). As obnoxious as he can be at times, there is a glint of naughty humor in the man.This is the first (and so far only) cyber-community I've belonged to. I don't go to other discussion forums (though dankgesang may get me soon...), I don't do "chat" rooms. And this is all pretty new to me. The anonymity of this place is fascinating. We learn about each other only what is shared with us. I know some personal details about some of the folks here, but again, only what they've chosen to tell me. And you know about me only what I've shared. Some people here know what kind of music I listen to, what kind of audio gear I own. Some folks here know I prefer vinyl to the devil discs. But only a few of you know my name. And does anybody here know what I do for a living? Isn't that a bit odd? I mean, isn't that one of the first things people usually ask each other when they meet? And here's what's really odd about it: as much as I've interacted with many of you, NO ONE has ever asked! What's more, though many of you have mentioned your jobs in your posts, many have not--and I've never asked anyone here what kind of work they do. Or how old they are. Or how much money they have. Or what they look like. Or who they vote for. Or how big their...ah...feet are.
This is not for lack of curiosity, I think, but out of respect for some unwritten rule of this kind of anonymous place. Our lack of disclosure about ourselves in not (for the most part anyway) based on shame or secrecy, but some sense that in this place, unlike the real world, we can control not only what we disclose, but actually WHO WE ARE. But it's not true. Isn't it intriguing what face some of us put on our cyber-selves. In a very real sense, I believe I have come to know some people here better than I would have gotten to know them if we had met in the "real" world. In fact it is BECAUSE I don't know so many of the real-world things about the people here that I can form an opinion of their character without preconceptions or prejudice. What we learn about each other here is often much more important than those real world things. I know some of you to be gentle, kind, humorous, thoughtful, bright. And I know some people here to be, well, just the opposite of those things. And I feel pretty confident about those opinions--at least, more confident than I am with many of my real-world acquaintances. And, to those of you who've been going back and forth with me for a while, my guess is that you know more about me than I ever really intended to tell you.
Anyway, thanks again Mike. I really love this place. I guess what I've been trying to say is that for me, this artificial community is very, very real. And the people in it are very, very real. And a lot of fun.
(By the way, on the chance that anybody IS wondering, I make my living as a docto..no, I mean astronau...No! I'm a SENATOR! Yeah, that's the ticket! Senator!. I'm really quit wealthy and good looking. My IQ is 182. I'm 25 years old. And Britny really is my wife.)
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What is "is"? Oh alright already, I'll stop. Starting to sound like an ex-president we all know. For myself, this "Inmate Central" forum is a place to sit back with a cigar and an adult beverage and NOT bang each others heads against the wall. Wit and wisdom abound. It's that playground at Mickey D's where the kids jump into a vat of plastic balls while the boring adults have boring conversations (of course I don't mean the prop heads). No straight jackets please. No trolls. Fun.
did you just watch The Godfather?KP
nt
I mention my genitalia deficiency in confidence within the confines of a PRIVATE thread over on General and you had to THRUST it into the PUBIC domain for all to see - you couldn't resist STROKING the fires again could you? What kind of a MEMBER are you exactly?OK, it may only be NINE INCHES but you wouldn't want it on the end of your nose as a wart would ya?
Keep on ERECTING MY PENIS problems all you want Bagsgroove, but the more you WAVE IT AROUND, the more your posts will become IMPOTENT and any influence or integrity you possess will become LIMP; furthermore, you may even be subject to a PREMATURE EJECTION from the Asylum if you are unable to provide a BONER-fida reason as to your constant taunting of unfortunates such as myself.
I may be THICK AND my posts aren't exactly JUICY in their content, but surely my INNADEQUATE prose and LIMP humour shouldn't disqualIFFY my social INTERCOURSE?
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
Mr. Nine Inch Redmond,My sister, Swivel Hips, wants your phone number. I guess she wants a snack. For a reall Man Meal, she sees Mr. 12" Baggsgroove. Seems he has more than just 12" LP's.
TIA,
Shorty
I'm a teacher of 2nd grade children in a very exclusive and wealthy public school. I'm 34 years old, I'm married to a fantastic hunk of a Cuban man. I have a 6 year old dog named Lucy, who constanlty sleeps on my feet. Im of Irish, French, German, Spanish and maybe Jewish decent. And I love the intelligence I find here at the asylum.mp
I thought your were ALL Irish. FRENCH in your blood??!!
Well, I'll try to pretend I never learned this about you...
Is that Irish enough for ya?You know I want to please you!
:o)
mp
I, on the other hand, being PURE Irish, am a total, complete and hardcore alcoholic. (Really. Quit drinking 20 years ago, but I still get to be Irish.)God, this confession stuff is fun. We could all go on Oprah or something.
(You DO please me, Mrs.P. You are a princess.)
like a princess.
Nice of you to notice!:o)
mp
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First of all, what are you doing up this time of night? You must be a west-coaster or some other kind of foreigner.Second, I MEANT to say, "Ted Smith is, without question, one of the people who posts on this forum."
By the way, for those who don't know--me and Ted go way back. He is, in fact, an 16 year old unwed mother living in a tarpaper shack on the Mississippi delta. Admirable, how far he's come...
That was clearly the subtext.KP
HowdyHave you looked at my pictures in the Gallery? :)
-Ted
Worse would be a bald, plump, bearded man!Oh, my dear God! I just looked in the mirror! I AM a bald, plump, bearded man...help me?
Ted, I love the flowered shirt! Do they make them in 4X?
HowdyShe doesn't tell her current husband. Luckily he's blind enough (literally) that he can't see the cloth she's working on :)
-Ted
But see, even without having seen them, I knew you had a beard and a bee. You just can't hide those kind of character traits...Hey--Seattle is a nice place. I've got relatives there and spent a lot of time there in my younger days.
HowdyThe fire pictures are from earlier this summer in Durango Colorado where I and my ex-wife hail from.
I like the weather here in Seattle, but I do miss the family in Durango...
-Ted
nt
I worked on the oil fields out of Rangely for 3 months! I found out that was a job for real men and I'm a wimp! I went back to the theater arts program I'd left at Southwestern College in Chula Vista, California...more my style.
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nt
He's in England or one of them places. You can tell cause he talks funny. Spells words weird. I swear, after all this time you'd a thought those people would have learned to speak our language!
t
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nt
Hail, Megachanger Brethen.KP
However vile.
It shows people for what they are.
I wish people in "real life" would telegraph their vileness as clearly as they do here.It'd make business much simpler.
The entire idea of communication, whether it be through music, architecture, or through bits on the net is to extend a bit of one's consciousness for others to sample and to sample other's consciousness.
We can never know someone else's consciousness, only our own. But those brief glimpses we get through communication reminds us that there are many universes out there. I feel, from a very human perspective, that the universe exists only between your own ears.
I find the most vicious and vile posts very entertaining. It's amazing how anonymity gives the cowards heart.
I remember, a few months back, when my wife and I were in a bookstore.
She was looking at some books, when the shelf collapse causing her to scream.
Well, some bozo for the "I'm to cheap to buy a magazines, so I sit here and pretend I own the place" hushed her. Don't we see plenty of that behavior here?
The self-appointed keepers of order.Man, that got the hairs on the back of neck up. I stepped around the isles, and asked "EXCUSE ME!" There was only one "gentleman" there. He kept his nose in the magazine. Again, now looking at him: "Excuse me?" The only response was a lame "huh... what?"
I wonder how many of the vile minded here act as putridly in real life as they do here.
I've said this before. My posting policy at AA is simple: never say anything here I could not say face to face to another person.
What people fail to realize is that it's OK to disagree with someone, and it's certainly OK if they disagree with you. The question is simply one of communicating in a gentlemanly (or lady-like) manner or behaving like an insecure teenage orangutan.
The simplistic view of a black and white or right or worn or absolutes truths or standards or tastes demonstrated by many merely gives us a glimpse of their limited intellect.
Funny, how these "absolutes" match their own believes. What are the odds, to have stumbled upon such great wisdom.Seeing these behaviors, it amazes us realize how special other people are who rise above it.
The luck of the draw in genetics. Ultimately.
There, but for the grace of evolution, go I.I find that, in life as whole, people of certain caliber will seek each other out and draw common strength. That's how civilizations are built.
Now, about this "baring ourselves" bit, I think I will go scrub my eyes now.
KP
HowdyI don't know if it's related but I find myself almost always posting in response to other posts: I hardly ever post at the top level. I try to be helpful when people ask questions I do have some experience with. I also, at times, am defensive when people criticize the Asylum and feel a need to reply. The hardest for me are the posts where people are posting misleading or incorrect info. Sometimes is obvious that they just made a mistake, but sometimes it seems probable that they are being disingenuous. I still strive to correct them in a non-confrontational manner (but sometimes I just let 'em have it; we are all human after all :)
Earlier today I made a few top level posts over on Hi-Rez. As I did I was wondering if I was wasting people's time, etc. In return I get a couple of "thanks for posting", and even better a someone I don't know said "Ted- Thanks for your consistently high quality posts". Man I didn't know what I'd been missing by being reactive instead of proactive in my posting.
-Ted
Originating a post is "riskier" than responging to a previous post. It's akin to asking someone out on a date. You don't know what the answer will be and although you hope you will strike a chord and be validated, there's the chance you will be thought the imbecile and heartily made fun of. (OK, I exaggerated the point a little).There's a very wise saying that goes, "Sometimes you have to go out on a limb, because that's where you get the best fruit."
HowdyTho perhaps being married till 5 years ago had something to do with it too :)
-Ted
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