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In Reply to: RE: Thanks For Providing Support Of My Previous Statement Here posted by geoffkait on July 02, 2007 at 09:36:08
Hi GK
Having memories and friends like these is better than not I would bet and is at least a consequence of having been working at this for a living, for a while.
I elaborated on Dick Heyser because I looked up to him and his gear changed my life in acoustics.
I am not surprised you have no idea who those people are (LOL as you say) Gene Patronis is Professor Emeritus in acoustics a Ga tech, Don Davis was Founder of Synaudcon (educational courses in measurements, room acoustics / room design.)
http://gtalumni.org/Publications/techtopics/sum01/firstperson.html
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/mag/avinstall_suggestions_contractors_library/
http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/forum/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?albumid=4
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Big deal.... some people need heros, and that's OK I guess; however, in your case, judging by your attitude, I'd say they mighta done more harm than good.
GK
“however, in your case, judging by your attitude, I'd say they mighta done more harm than good.”
Mighta, who knows, you can’t judge the effect they had on my loudspeaker designs based on my replies to you can you?, or maybe “you” can hear them telepathically.
"I like my cigar, too, but I take it out sometimes." ~ Groucho MarxGeez, appears you've been doing it quite a while; ever consider branching out into some new project(s)? :-)
GK
Yep, go to a patent web site, type in my name for an inventor search.
I avidly followed Heyser's speaker work (it was easy as much of it was in Audio magazine along with his speaker tests) and believe that his emphasis on the time domain was spot on. Especially as the ears are orders of magnitude more resolving in time than our other senses. He was a serious force for good in the speaker world and did a lot to increase the correlation between hearing and measurements.
I haven't attended one of the Synaudcons but my boss did and I got to read the material... He had nothing but praise for the Davis's grasp of the subject and the thoroughness of the presentation, that's good enough for me.
I love home audio, and have to tolerate PA systems at concerts. Anyone that significantly furthers the state of the art in those areas should be a hero to all of us.
Regards, Rick
Think you must have missed the point of my post, but that's ok.
Oh, I think I got your point, cheap shots are fairly easy to recognize. I also recognize that you may feel that you were responding in kind. I've no idea if the comment about outrageous marketing was especially aimed at you. Even if it was you are surely not alone, nor is the audio field remotely the domain of the most egregious examples. Take the fashion industry, please.
In the long run, it's the folks that figure out what matters and how to measure and control them that advance the state of the art. This is often preceded by people empirically discovering that something has a desirable effect and taking advantage of it even though they may not understand the underlying causes. And so we progress along in a bumpy fashion.
I suppose that there's a third group, the charlatans, who's goal is to gull folks. Ultimately they are of no consequence. I hold the empiricists and engineers in high regard and hope to avoid being victimized by the charlatans.
So my hat is off to folks like Heyser who advance the state of the art while freely admitting that they don't have all the answers. It's also off to folks who discover that unlikely things, like interconnects, can have far more impact than one would ever suppose and are persistent enough that eventually a lot of us benefit from their discovery even though a through explanation is not yet in hand.
Regards, Rick
Why would you jump to the conclusion that I am not an engineer and not empirical, but must be a charlatan? Good luck with your heros and your cherished view of what is state of the art. You have apparently been victimized by the same conceit that I was accusing tomservo of. Otherwise, thanks for the lecture...~ GK
Geoff, if you re-read my post you will find no intimation whatsoever that I think that you are a charlatan.
Frankly I know little about your products and have not tried any so I've formed no opinion of them. I mostly am aware of them due to the frequent postings regarding them on this forum. I have looked at your website before and just double checked to verify that you have a money-back guarantee. By all reports you are an ethical businessman, and I would not hesitate to order from you.
When I wrote that post I was going to guess that you were an empiricist but I decided not to because I really didn't know and thought it might cause offense. Well, that backfired didn't it? This morning I read the material on your site concerning magic pebbles. It offers an explanation but no supporting data and the product itself is unspecified so I'm thinking empirical, an engineered product would usually have numbers attached even if they weren't germane.
You are welcome for the lecture, don't forget the final is next week...
Regards, Rick
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