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In Reply to: RE: Please don't consider it "junkyard dog attack", but how is that relevant? posted by carcass93 on June 29, 2007 at 11:14:49
This was Stereophile, so the components were high-end and the participants were GOLDEN EARS.
I assume Atkinson ran the test, and since he has written here that 30% of blind tests he's participated in had improper test methodolgies, that must mean he is a world-class expert on blind test methodology.
How could there possibly be a better test?
People forget that half the comparisons in any blind test are of a component compared with itself.
It's most interesting that the Stereophile GOLDEN EARS, when comparing an amplifier with itself, said they heard differences 62% of the time!
Seems like GOLDEN EARS have a stong bias toward reporting differences when none are possible.
That's important to consider when you compare two components ... especially when they play music at different SPL's (almost always in sighted comparisons).
It's very interesting how GOLDEN EARS like you think they know what a stereo sounds like by reading a component list!
Don't have to listen to the stereo.
Don't even need experience with any of the components in other rooms.
Just need to read a components list and let your EXPECTATIONS tell you the stereo is "mid-fi", whatever that means.
I appreciate the "decididly mid-fi equipment" comment because it so clearly points out that audiophiles think they can judge sound quality by reading a component list.
No need for double-blind auditions.
No need for single-blind auditions.
No need for auditions at all.
Just read a component list and immediately decide if the owner has the "right" brands and has spent "enough" money on the components.
By the way, my double-blind wire test used a much better stereo than I own. I didn't say I did all my tests at home.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
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The last time I tested an amp against itself I heard a difference.....
Most amps sound quite different 15 minutes later relative to when they're first turned on.....
This is why most listening tests should be done with the amps running at least a couple hours.
And I think this is why people tend to hear "improvements" from tweaks..... And why people tend to prefer "B" over "A" when doing an "A-B" evaluation. (How often do you read about a tweak making things sound worse?)
But often I have to be concerned that what is in the system may be better than what is added. The cables, amps, etc. initially have been in place. Changing anything except maybe the telephone in this case, usually results in a poorer performance. This is why I actually do A versus B versus C comparisons. When the initial system is disrupted, it may sound worse than the system with the new piece in it.
In the case of ac filtering and some tweaks, I often find that initial impressions are wrong. When everything has settled down, removing the tweak results in the "what the hell was I thinking" response.
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...because they weren't fooled.
Which group are you in, Mr. Nut?
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