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In Reply to: RE: Thanks For Providing Support Of My Previous Statement Here posted by thetubeguy1954 on June 29, 2007 at 11:05:50
In practice, objectivists like me tend to get frustrated with subjectivist when we should be frustrated with audio in general. It's the "imagining" process we can't get a handle on because it can't be measured. We get frustrated when a SET owner with oodles of distortion glows on about the wonderful presentation coming from his system when we know the signal is distorted and the same guy has umteen megabuck wrapped up in cables that we know don't change the signal at all and yet what we should be happy with the that he enjoys the sound of his system. So there's a new telportation tweek now that someone will purchase and it makes them happy with a new found listening experience. All I hope is that they didn't spend their last 40 clams on the experience and are keeping up with child support and any real obligations they have to society.
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You're an objectivist, right? You don't go around making unwarranted assertions, right? So, about those cables: You got any measurements of our man's?
I'm just askin', because all the time when I only say something *sounds good* I'm asked for measurements etc, and here we have a far bolder claim, that Brand X cables "don't change the signal at all."
Fair's fair.
I await your evidence -- but not in high expectation.
clark
> > In practice, objectivists like me tend to get frustrated with subjectivist when we should be frustrated with audio in general. It's the "imagining" process we can't get a handle on because it can't be measured. We get frustrated when a SET owner with oodles of distortion glows on about the wonderful presentation coming from his system when we know the signal is distorted and the same guy has umteen megabuck wrapped up in cables that we know don't change the signal at all and yet what we should be happy with the that he enjoys the sound of his system. < <
You can find distortion in any amp, if you look hard enough. Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the nature of distortion and an ignorance of all other real factors that contribute to the specific sound that SET lovers fall in love with (and no, adding "euphonic" or "romantic" doesn't show any better understanding of what tube amps get right in the spectrum of music reproduction). Then you go on to say you "know" advanced cable technology provides no better level of sound reproduction than cheap wire, which is laughable when you don't "know" any such thing, and you're basing your opinions entirely on prejudices coming off of erroneous or incomplete data, or worse, DBTs. This is NOT the way to understand audio, my friend, and me and my twenty plus years of practical experience in audio assures you that you are -not- in a position of intellectual superiority because you think you're in posession of uncommon technical knowledge that ignorant subs don't know, don't understand or don't want to acknowledge. You are actually the ignorant audio guy you think the non-objectivist, non-measurers are, despite what your textbooks, your measuring instruments, and your "rational dbt data" tells you. As we speak, your audio system and your body/mind are suffering horribly for your misguided (but somewhat understandable) beliefs.
Funny how subs don't get all frustrated because some crazy objectivist runs around with an SPL meter, and puts 2 cent wire on the back of $2,000 dollar speakers. We just laugh and shake our heads at the foolish pseudo-objectivists, who gave up good sound for bad ideology..... We realize they usually take a few decades to catch up and realize they were wrong all that time, but given the fact that the sound of something as well established as cables are still controversial among the die-hard perpetual naysayers, sometimes decades is not long enough.
> > So there's a new telportation tweek now that someone will purchase and it makes them happy with a new found listening experience. All I hope is that they didn't spend their last 40 clams on the experience and are keeping up with child support and any real obligations they have to society. < <
Oh darn. I really wish you haddana said that. Because I just came back from the bank to find out I had $60 left to my name, and the repo man made off with my car, which apart from my stereo, was the only thing of value I have. I got a year-old baby that's driving me crazy with the screaming, and the bawling, all night and day. I don't know -what- he wants, food I guess, since I haven't been able to keep up with the regular feeding schedule, on account of my cash crisis. But $60 happens to be the cost of MD's new Teleportation Tweak, and I'm just -dying- to try this thing out. Especially since there are so many people so eager to piss all over it, within seconds of its announcement. (As you may have guessed, the more denigrated and mysterious an audio product is, the more appealing it is to me). I realize that if I spend the rest of my available funds on the kid, I could probably get him to stop his incessant whining for a time. But it occurred to me that it would be cheaper to just find some cotton or paper around the house, and stuff it into my ears. Then I could afford the Teleportation Tweak. So I have to admit, it's a tough decision, but in all consideration, not -that- tough. It's like my great grandfather used to say, "audio is everything". Anyone have MD's number?
"silence tells me secretly, everything..."
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