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In Reply to: RE: Time was, when *any* concept of "action at a distance" was similarly derided. posted by clarkjohnsen on June 28, 2007 at 09:19:44
and what of the 'directivity' of such an action?
radio frequencies have laws which dictate how they operate, right? broadcast and receive within laws of electrical behavior.
how, praytell, does one 'broadcast' via quantum mechanics- moreso, via a TELEPHONE, a limited frequency electrical device, these fantastic permanent upgrades to one's system? radio broadcast stays as long as there is reception- and quantum mechanics ALTERS a system permanently after a PHONE CALL? if one could send such magical signals to your system between 300-3000hz, my system would've already delivered them to itself through hours of play, no?
i question the sanity of anyone proposing permanent alteration to any electrical entity via telephone call. quantum mechanics or not.
this is not a flat earther speaking. if you believe this, perhaps a magic wand may be in order as well...
sure sounds like a bucketfull of snake oil to me..
d
Follow Ups:
That same dripping sarcasm has been directed to experimenters in a wide variety of now-scientific fields. Through the ages there was much hooting and hollering from the likes of stuck.wilson, who evidently have some difficulty wrapping their minds around the fact that science is not a finished effort.
I quote from the great (and widely derided) Nicola Tesla:
"The history of science shows that theories are perishable. With every new truth that is revealed we get a better understanding of Nature and our conceptions and views are modified. Dr. Hertz did not discover a new principle. He merely gave material support to hypothesis."
Stuck.wilson clearly has no interest in experimentation *or* hypothesis, contenting himself instead with sneering from the sidelines.
clark
and to address the statement that i 'clearly have no interest in experimentation *or* hypothesis'- i would hardly deem this as a full discourse from which anybody could conclude THAT.
lets not take ourselves THAT seriously on a silly public internet forum.. sense of humor is optional, but taking my rediculous proposition in the subject line, i'dve more than thought that the joking tone of my skepticism was apparent..
d
Although perhaps difficult to differentiate from the straight-faced derision most demanders here employ.
clark
my god clark-
none of that was aimed at you exclusively, and if you believed it was, then my apologies to you, sincerely! if there is any mocking to be aimed here, it is most certainly at the advertising copy afforded by this company.
now, the idea of science being 'finished' is an entirely different matter to a phone call 'fixing' a system. i haven't the slightest bias against science, nor do i think that i understand all of what is possible with quantum mechanics.
however.
a telephone call? honestly. perhaps a little more explanation of this magical technology is due, as a short web page with little or no explanation of how, as i stated previously, a limited bandwidth device such as a telephone, could do much of anything to another electronic device which is permanent, or even useful.
this is not the voice of a crazy flat earther here. i believe very much in the progress of science. quantum mechanics and string theory are fascinating. but that DOES NOT infer that i will believe that a telephone is somehow going to transmit quanta, nor that a stereo device will know what to do with them when and if sent. electrical impulses from 300-3khz. but not subatomic particles that will 'align' my audio system magically through the phone line.
i am quite capable of suspending my disbelief, and am not living life in some pre-galilean dreamstate-- but this one's got a LOT of fleshing out to do before i throw 3 twenties into the void for a 20 second phone call. if this is an unexpected response from the inventor, then perhaps his clientele has a great deal more money than sense, and i commend his knowledge of an incredibly gullilble market portion. i however don't pitch money down the sewer, nor even into 'proven' technologies that easily.
should this be some viable technology, i'd be very excited to read about it, and fully understand to the best of my ability. that's not what's been given- just testimonials on a screen, and no information. if you understand it, don't argue-- spill it. how's it work, and why? armed with this-- i'm all ears. GIVE over that supporting material so that a hypothesis is FORMABLE.
otherwise- 'til that is put forward, by you, or anyone-- it's still a steaming pile of con-artist scheme 'supported' by science very few of the general populus WILL understand.. a great seam to mine by the p.t. barnums of the audio world.
convince me, and i'll recant. til then, i apologize for you feeling personally attacked, but not for being skeptical.
d
To primitive peoples all technology appears "magical".
"But that DOES NOT infer that i will believe that a telephone is somehow going to transmit quanta." Then what DO you believe will transmit quanta (since you've reduced this to a matter of *belief*)? Just askin'!
"But this one's got a LOT of fleshing out to do before i throw 3 twenties into the void for a 20 second phone call." You've got a money-back guarantee and still you have problems? Geez Luiz.
"But not subatomic particles that will 'align' my audio system magically through the phone line." "Magic" -- that word again. A lot of "buts" in there too, we see.
"If you understand it, don't argue-- spill it. how's it work, and why?" And you are qualified to receive this intelligence, why, exactly? Are you a patent attorney? Remind me, we signed a non-disclosure agreement? Your demands, sir, are those of a child deprived of his toy for what the parents see as a very good reason.
"Otherwise- 'til that is put forward, by you, or anyone-- it's still a steaming pile of con-artist scheme... a great seam to mine by the p.t. barnums of the audio world." Speaking of attorneys -- you'll be hearing from mine. The crimes? Defamation of character, and silliness in the name of science.
clark
defamation of character? where? silliness in the name of science? where? to ask 'put your money where your mouth is' is hardly a new concept! and even nikola tesla, who i greatly admire, would do that, at very least.
i never said 'clark is nuts'. i merely said-- explain it, and i'll listen- to see if it seems plausible. that website is USELESS to assuage the OBVIOUSLY significant amount of questions as to its efficacy. if this weren't so obvious-- there wouldn't BE mocking comments by the score on this board. bad marketing move for ANY company with really 'out there' claims. there's not even NAMES on the testimonials. and they're all within 1 month. this, a tested technology doesn't make. want to buy an edsel? clark-- if you think this is derision worthy of litigation-- talk to romy the cat. this is, pure and simple, a very fringe product.
the notion of being a 'primitive people' is nonsensical, and unnecessary to even address.
what will transmit quanta? haven't a clue. a telephone? possibly- but how, i haven't a clue. inform me, please. if it is so simple to direct such quanta, then why is it such an issue within the study of quantum mechanics to predict the placement of such? and this inventor seems to've found a way to direct them via phone lines? THAT is A LOT to suspend disbelief over for ANYONE, not only scientists. can you not see this?
and why precisely WOULD I NOT be 'privileged' to be offered even the scantest bit of explanation why some 'tweak' will do anything to my audio gear, if i'm being offered a service that i will pay for? am i supposed to let you come in my house to clean my carpets with the 'new technology' of hydrochloric acid, and then wonder why they fell apart? sure, they're clean.. they disintegrated. no-- i if i ASK, if i'm paying for it like a responsible adult, an explanation of non-proprietary nature can and SHOULD be given. not some non-explanation e.g.-
'gee whiz, mr. man, my stereo sure sounds wham-o!'
-antarctica
that looks remarkably like the testimonials on the site. who knows- maybe i wrote them? do you know? do you work for this company? did you write one or all of them? these are equally absurd questions to 'gee, WHY don't you believe it?', and also a 'matter of *belief*'. clark, i'm not nuts NOR even antagonistic to tweaks. i do hear the bullshit detector going off when something pricy that has NOTHING explaining itself, nothing at all, is offered. maybe it DOES work-- but i don't personally happen to buy the method of sales.
frankly, your knee jerk reaction to skepticism of a 'technology' that has NO explanation whatsoever exposed for scrutiny, is very odd, and reeks of some orthodoxy divorced from any reality i currently live in. i'm not a freakin hyper-scientific method, anti-believer in tweaks and the possibility of inexplicable phenomenon. i'm a damn organic farmer, a carpenter, and a tube audio listener- found therein that lot is a significant amount of good sense, mixed with 'magic', AND a firm belief in DOING without pissing money away. pardon my lack of suspended disbelief, but you haven't convinced in the least, nor has the peddler of this telephonic change.
your remark about being ' a child deprived of a toy' is just baiting. sorry.. no bites. answer: no shred of explanation, no money. this isn't madness on my part, and anyone would acknowledge that the only symptom of a person blindly buying, tweaks, gear, cables, cars, etc.-- is excess expendable income and a hand full of straws.
clark- believe as you will about this. if quantum mechanics'll fix my stereo, killer. i'm game- what a cool use of physics. psyched if it makes my listening 3d as if i'm there. my issue ISN'T with quantum mechanics, you, or anybody else. my issue is with the fact that there isn't CRAP to explain it, and if i'm too STUPID to understand, so be it. that's the endlessly reiterated arrogance of the 'high end'.. and they can keep it, if it'd transform my system or not.
nuf said.
d
And you know that how, exactly? All I know is, no one's told you! What PROOF have you that NO explanation exists? Here you go around making these assertions... LOL!
"The notion of being a 'primitive people' is nonsensical, and unnecessary to even address." Translation: I was right! You're saying, we aren't technologically primitive? Because you now own a frikkin' iPhone which is just about as good as it's ever gonna get?! And CD is perfect sound forever?!
"You haven't convinced [me] in the least, nor has the peddler of this telephonic change." Who cares? Frankly I'd rather leave you in your stew and know that you're not taking advantage of the experimental opportunities available to improve your day. Leave that to the rest of us adventurers.
clark
this argument is not worth the time, as your debate skills are basically non existant. considering one's self correct because of my ignoring your pathetic excuses for 'exchange', which are indeed baiting, is yet more proof of your inability to either LISTEN, or understand. i would recommend that you develop a thicker skin, if you'd like to defend what won't defend itself, because there's a great deal more animosity out there to such than I'VE dished you, which if you had truly read any of my responses, has been nil.
i also never mentioned myself or others being advanced in any way, technologically or other-- that is your own creation. i have no iphone, don't consider cd's perfect sound for anything. but if you need to lean on some ideal to prove what i've said has offended you or your world view, that i'm indeed the enemy, that you are superior, and i am out to get you, by all means, believe what you will. that is in your mind alone.
and precisely, 'who cares?'. there are more people willing to actually consider purchases than there are not, so regardless of your views, or mine-- i don't feel this tweak will be around for all that long. there may be silly people, but there's a few smart ones too, and i'd venture a guess there's more of them out there than you give credit to.
so my day will be quite fine without the likes of your tweak, mr. de soto- but i wish you well in your search for 'the newer better world', which is no doubt quite a bit more expensive, and doubtfully all that much better sounding than mine!
d.
Because, see, YOU'RE the one who refuses to LISTEN -- to the item in question. Instead you get all blustery and accusatory, no doubt due to the sub-conscious realization that you're the one lacking here.
"Your debate skills are basically non existant." I could rest my case, but it just gets better and better.
"If you need to lean on some ideal to prove that... i am out to get you..."
"There may be silly people [like clark johnsen], but there's a few smart ones too [like stuck wilson]."
"So my day will be quite fine without the likes of your tweak, mr. de soto."
Man, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried!
clark
> > i question the sanity of anyone proposing permanent alteration to any electrical entity via telephone call. quantum mechanics or not.
So who said it was a "permanent alteration to an electrical entity via telephone"?
> > sure sounds like a bucketfull of snake oil to me..
I guess you believe that it is of some benefit, as snake oil has proven to be.
Objective Audiophile 2007
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