Isolation Ward

...And how do you know that exactly??

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In Reply to: RE: Machina Dynamica's Teleportation Tweak posted by tomservo on June 28, 2007 at 06:41:04

tomservo:
"These imaginary tweaks work (when it does), by mental suggestion and desire, like the other “tweaks” that don’t actually change anything electrical or acoustical."

...So I'm dying to find out.... how do you know that? As someone with plenty of experience with so-called "tweaks" that don't actually change anything electrical and acoustical, I'd like to know what your experience is with the Teleportation Tweak, and others that don't affect the signal or acoustics, in order to declare with such confidence that they are ALL a placebo?

Objective Audiophile 2007

Follow Ups:

RE: ...And how do you know that exactly?? - gymwear5@hotmail.com 10:49:17 06/28/07 (2)
one only has to read post on this board - or even your own (or my own) experiences. What I have that some others don't (and others do) is confidence that these "placebo" changes are only temporary and likely irrelevant except for the moment. Like a once in a lifetime sunset, I revel in those moments, appreciating how I have been moved by the experience.
- ...So for you, its your unconfirmed prejudices that give you confidence in what is and isn't valid in audio? - Posy Rorer 11:56:50 06/28/07 (1)
  > > one only has to read post on this board - or even your own (or my own) experiences.
  
  Run that by me again, I'm hoping I misunderstood. Are you saying that to know whether an audio product or idea is valid, you have only to read a post on it?? Experiences are an entirely different matter, yet you're equating them as though they are one and the same. What makes you think your experiences will be the same as mine or others?
  
  > > What I have that some others don't (and others do) is confidence that these "placebo" changes are only temporary and likely irrelevant except for the moment.
  
  I don't think you understand what a "placebo" is. The very nature of a placebo change is (arguably) not "likely irrelevant". I still don't understand where you get your "confidence" from? Reading a post on the matter?
  
  > > Like a once in a lifetime sunset, I revel in those moments, appreciating how I have been moved by the experience.
  
  None of the things that I do which people say are only in my mind, are "temporary, like a sunset". Even though, logically speaking, they should be. Appreciate how others are moved by their experiences if you can appreciate your own, even if you believe its imaginary for them. (And if it is, then the sunset is imaginary for you!).
  
  Objective Audiophile 2007
  - RE: ...So for you, its your unconfirmed prejudices that give you confidence in what is and isn't valid in aud - gymwear5@hotmail.com 14:18:24 06/28/07 (0)
    No I only have to read the descriptions of the observations. Heck the changes in sound from "Placebo" components and tweeks are part of this hobby and I hear them as "real" all the time. For example when replacement power cord products hit a decade or so ago, the descriptions of glowing improvements, DYI tweeks and the number of products on the markets skyrocketed. Objectivists screamed, subjectivist preached the new gospel, DBT arguments ensued. Since most people I enjoy this hobby with are generally interesting and rational folks, when we try stuff out and hear a change in the sound - didn't that new cord sound better? Since I don't know every product out there I can't tell you if changing a power cord will change the sound in your observations - but I can tell you it will not change the signal in any properly designed component. Oh, and did I "hear" the difference in cords - yes. Later, was I unable to pick out the difference in a blind test, NO. I can test signal fidelity to -140dB (one part in 10 million) variation easily these days. I can measure rail and ground plane voltages to 1 part per million accuracy across a 0 to 25KHz range. Audible differences that are not reflected in such measurements do not trouble me, because I'd rather just set back and enjoy the sunset.

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