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I would like to know if Klipsch Cornwalls will work in the near field listening position .
My room is medium size , 300sq. ft.+ , but the listening position has to be @ 7ft. from the
speaker face with the speaker separation @ 6ft. The wall distance behind the listening position is a
few feet and angled away from the speaker plane . The speakers would be sitting on the floor . Should they be on risers and/or angled back instead ?
Will the Cornwalls work ?
Thank You
saki70
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For practical reasons i'm currently listening my LaScalas in a small bedroom. They have been upgraded with EV SM120 horns and Beyma CP25, and have a wider dispersion than the originals. But it sounds great to my ears! U need a very silent amp if you sit 4feet from horns, tho. Otherwise noise really becomes annoying. But microdynamics are fantastic and imaging is quite OK.
I currently have the Cornscalla B version, and before that had the Klipsch Cornwall II's.
My room is 14' wide and 25' deep - but I have to sit 12' from the front wall due to a support column. So the speakers are about 7.5', to 8' away from me and 8' apart and they worked well for me. If I put them closer to the front wall - ( around1.5' ) the sound got hard and the soundstage collapsed (never had tried them in the corners though)
Very dynamic speaker that plays loud with a few watts
I changed the crossover though, because I thought the lower treble was a little hard/glare.
I am very happy with them...
I have a pair of RevelF208 also, and although they are a very smooth sounding full range speaker (more of a modern design) with excellent imaging and dynamics - there is something about a 15" driver that is fun to listen to, in that they don't have to make as large as excursions.... The sound is effortless, they keep me interested in the music - very involving...
The Cornscala "D" Type loudspeaker by Bob Crites would be a better option.
Better horn better drivers less complex crossover with only one crossover point.
http://www.critesspeakers.com/cornscala-style-d.html
moray james
re: "D" beautiful looking Faital horn - do you know if it would work well with a 1" adapter and 1" format driver at higher xover or would the adapter screw too much with DI on the top?
Karlson Evangelist
no idea about the adapter, suppose you could use a one inch driver but why would you want to introduce more distortion when a two inch exit driver has almost half the distortion that a one inch exit driver does?. I can tell you that once you listen to a large format driver you won't want to go back to small format ever again at least that is how I felt about it and I only wish I had made the jump sooner (much sooner). If you adjust the compression driver diaphragm to align up with the woofer voice coil (can do this by ear, it's like adjusting the focus of a movie projector) you can achieve amazing sonic results. Looks funny but the sound makes it look beautiful in a heart beat. With the horn up on top of the cabinet you are free to play with rotating the horn to see which pattern works best in your room. Good luck have some fun best regards moray james.
moray james
Have you tried this? Judging by the looks of the stock Type D cabinet, there is not quite enough room to rotate the horn for a vertical orientation.
moray james ;
Thank you for the recommendation . The Cornscala is also one that I am considering .
Have you compared the Cornwall to the Cornscala in the same listening environment ?
Thank you .
I don't have the type D but I do use the FAital 140 driver with 142 horn on top of AE TD15S woofers crossed at 800hz. IT's an awesome combo if you can DIY. Only 93db but mid 20s away from walls.
What is the overall size of this cabinet? sounds very good.
moray james
Sorry, I missed this one.
6 cubic foot internal volume.
Thanks for that. Hope you are feeling better.
moray james
... in the line above me. Be patient, I'm pretty sure he'll catch it.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure that the Cornscala Type D will sound as if it's related (sonically) to the Cornwall, but it should perform much better than the 3-way Cornwall in a quasi-nearfield setup.
Yes , but I like to keep these in order . It makes things easier , here .
well I did say to place the horn on top of the cabinet so alignment could be achieved but I am sure that if you wanted to Bob could build you a baffle with a square mounting plate which you could rotate but my preference would be to mount free on top of the box.
moray james
Thanks, I think I understand now.
I used them in a 12 by 18 foot room for a few years with much enjoyment. They are called "wall horns" for a reason, bass drops to mid 50s when put out in the room.
What's the distance to the wall behind the speakers?
Scholl ;
About 12 - 14 inches .
It would be hard to imagine speakers less suitable for true nearfield listening, IMO. Boundary reinforcement is required for proper tonal balance. Distance from the listener is required for proper driver integration.Try it and decide for yourself, but I'm betting against the listening scheme you propose.
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I use a pair of Altec Granadas (not as tall but wider than cornwalls) in a very similar layout. Mine are about 8' from the listening position and about 9' apart. They are toed in to directly face the listening position, and they are raised about a foot and a half off the floor on a couple of plastic storage bins so that the hf horn is about at ear level. You would have to experiment with what would be best height for the c-walls. No back tilt.
My room is bigger, but I think that would only effect the size of the sound stage. I am very happy with this setup as the speakers, once positioned correctly simply disappear. Very good imaging, big sound stage.
Do a little research on positioning from walls too. I can not remember the articles name but it gave ratios of distance fron listener to speaker vs distance to various walls and the ceiling. It is important for proper setup. If you take the time to do it right I think you will be very happy with it.
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Coner ;
I want to use a low wattage SET amp and get that "you are there" sound. As I understand , it is best done with a large woofer & horns in a big box .
djk ;
I was looking at the III's .
vinnie2 ;
That is kind of what I was hoping for . I have seen some large speakers ,
like yours , used in this same situation in Japan where the apartments are quite small . They usually have the speakers slammed up against the wall behind them with a listening position 6' to 8' feet away . Wasn't sure how they would work though .
Thank You .
Any one else ?
How about Heresy "Ones" with the 6db crossovers? They need all the boundary reinforcement they can get! If base is too shy, add an active sub.
Dave
I don't think it would work well at all with the speakers up against the wall. The distance for developing reflected sound are importtant. It will be worth your time to do the research for proper placement distance from the walls. Goggle is your friend.
Series II or III will sound fine at that distance.You will want to tip them back and toe them in to aim the horns at your face.
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To me, they're way to large for your distance. I'd
want to be 12' away minimum. Why not choose something smaller?.
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