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It's been a long time in coming, but it seems that hi-rez multi-channel downloads are now available on the eClassical site. I was alerted to this by fellow-inmate Russell (thanks, Russell!), who noticed that the new Stravinsky album with Suzuki and the Tapiola Sinfonietta was available as a 24/96 multi-channel FLAC download:
I just downloaded the 24/96 files about an hour ago and I've listened to only the first three tracks, but I can report that the sound quality of what I've heard is excellent, with the microphones fairly close within a lively acoustic (Tapiola Concert Hall). The spectrographs look great too (completely clean, with none of that sprinkling of DSD noise up in the ultra-high frequencies). Very nice! The one thing I'm fearful of is that Suzuki may have restricted the string vibrato in the perverse manner of his (and other HIPsters') Bach recordings, but I'll have to hear the other tracks before I can say for sure.
In any case, the barrier has been broken and we can now hope for more availability of hi-rez multi-channel downloads from BIS and eClassical. Excelsior!
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BIS doesn't record in DSD, so naturally there will be no DSD noise.
Since the only way to get hi-rez multi-channel recordings from BIS up until now was to obtain the SACD's (with their necessary conversion to DSD), the fact that the multi-channel downloads now provide a more direct path to the original (non-DSD) master represents an improvement. (Whether it's audible or not is something we can all argue about - but I for one am extremely happy about this new development!) Believe me, I've been on Robert's case about this for years - in my own polite way of course! ;-)
2x DSD, the noise is twice as high in frequency as DSD, and the noise is inaudible even there.
It's a complete non-issue.
I think hi-res PCM sounds fine, but I prefer DSD 128.
You prefer PCM, that's fine, but the noise-issue is theoretical.
I know the noise is real, but the "issue' is not.
OTOH, I've seen a couple of posts from a listeners which indicate that this DSD 64 noise interacts with signals in the more audible part of the spectrum, to the detriment of the SQ. I'm not sure whether or not I believe this (or can hear it) myself, but all in all, I'd rather not have the noise there at all, regardless of whether it's just above the audible spectrum (as in DSD 64 on SACD's) or it's another octave or two up (as in DSD 128 or DSD 256). I've seen other posts which speculate that this interaction of the audible signal with the ultra-high-frequency noise may account for the "unnatural" smoothness of SACD playback.
My own feeling is that there are some DSD recordings, such as the Channel Classics recording of Mahler's Ninth, where this "SACD smoothness" is NOT present, so I'd conclude from this that what some hear as excessive smoothness in SACD playback is NOT necessarily a result of the high-frequency noise. Otherwise, we'd be hearing it in all SACD/DSD recordings.
I do not buy BIS SACD,s because I find dynamic range problems with many of them and constantly have to use the volume control which is seldom a problem with other brands as for downloads never for me I prefer to have a physical disc.
May have?
Ya gots a 24/98 multi-channel download and you've listened to the first three tracks and you're STILL not sure about the vibrato in the string section?
Guess we'll have to wait for the DVD and watch their hands! ;-)
. . . there's not enough sustained writing for the strings for me to tell whether what I'm hearing is a special effect he's using just for certain spots (and that would be OK), or is a pervasive (and, as I say, perverse) mannerism of the whole performance. I'll have an update later today when I'm able to listen to the whole album.
Guess we'll just have to wait. :-(
I don't see myself having any time to listen to the rest of the album until the afternoon of the 24th at the earliest.
Perhaps watching the video above while listening might help. :-0
Link below:
I listened to the rest of the album earlier today, and it was fine in terms of vibrato - Suzuki is no Snorrington! What had originally gotten me a little concerned were some places on track three where it seemed as if the vibrato had been pulled back too often (for my taste), and I feared that this was a harbinger of things to come. And of course, you REALLY hear enough in the strings-only Apollon musagete and Concerto in D major for Strings to tell what's what - and in those works, the vibrato was fine.Although I have a copy of Stravinsky's Apollon musagete in the composer's piano reduction, I feel that I don't know the piece that well. For years, my go-to recording was of the Mravinsky/Leningrad performance. But because of the fine sound quality of this new recording, this Suzuki performance generates much more interest (at least for me), if only because one is so much more aware of the nuances of the playing. Certainly, I was intrigued enough to get out my piano reduction again and plow through it! ;-)
This is a very enjoyable and impressive disc, and I feel sure that it bodes well for future hi-rez multi-channel downloads of BIS recordings on the eClassical site!
EDIT: BTW, I like the vibrato video you linked to! ;-)
Edits: 04/24/16
Somehow I thought you would! :-)
My first post on the Asylum.
This is also my first attempt with MCH downloads.
I just downloaded the BIS Pulcinella recording in MCH Hires, copied it on to a thumb drive, and started playing it on my Oppo BDP 103. I got nice music coming from all 5 speakers (as hoped)! However, the end of track 2 got cut short by about a second or two and then track three started playing minus the first half second or so. Is there a way to fix this?
YES avoid downloads and buy the disc.
Thanks for the suggestion, Disbeliever, but the SACD doesn't seem to be available in the USA; at least not on Amazon.
Likely later here.
Now I have the SACD version. The transition between tracks 2 and 3 on the SACD is fine. But the transition with the download version is horrid. Is it just my method of playback (thumb drive into OPPO) or does the download work this way on all systems?
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