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Is this correct? How do you adjust the volume? With the remote? Using the headphone set up?
“This product has the usual Oppo quality. What is unusual is the collection of inputs that allows this player to serve as a video processor and preamp. If you have separate amplifiers or active speakers you do NOT need a preamp in your system any more. This thing is misnamed as a Blu Ray player. It is a complete digital and audio source. Sell your preamp and take advantage of the quality that a simplified audio chain gives you.
This is simply a breakthrough. “
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The volume control on the Oppo 105 is the digital volume control that is integrated into the SABRE DAC. The Oppo upsamples data to a very high rate before conversion, and uses 32 bits. This leaves a lot of bits for the volume control before you lose resolution. I do not know exactly where in the volume control you start losing resolution, but you have at least the top 30%, and likely more that you can use without losing any sound quality.
A well implemented digital volume control has many benefits over an analog control. Assuming you are using a digital source, you would have to have a very expensive analog volume control before you approached the quality of the digital one that is built into the SABRE DAC.
That's the volume control aspect. Now onto the preamp issue.
It depends on the input requirements of the amplifier and the output specifications of your source. Some amplifiers maximize their output at 2 volts, some more, some less.
Look up some of the articles on Stereophile's website to get an idea. You then need to look at the manuals for your source and your amplifier to see if they will work well together.
The 83SE/95 has about 30? volume positions that can only be seen if you have a video display on. On the 105 there are 100 positions of volume and every time you hit the volume button it shows what position you are at directly on the Oppo display. The headphone outputs have their own set of 100 positions. It remembers both. When you plug in a headphone it reverts to the volume you last had it and turns off all the other outputs. When you unplug the headphone it reverts to the outputs on the back. It remembers both sets of volumes even if you turn it off or unplug it. Pretty cool! Yes, it is working at 32 bits. Does not mean that someone would not like a preamp more. Preamps can "add" things that some people might like.....and sometimes make the sound more dynamic. But running a 105 directly into amps is a way pure way of listening.....especially if the Oppo is modded.
Twisted Pear manual states that the ES9018 works at 48 bits internally, which leaves room for volume control even with 32 bit material before resolution is compromised.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/oppo-bdp-105-blu-ray-3d-player. From the article.
"I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend the BDP-105 as a replacement for a high-end digital preamp if your switching needs are covered. "
I think I'll try it w/o the pre. Not quite ready financially for an excellent quality pre with the flexibility I want. If it sucks terribly into my powered speakers, I'll go back to the preamp I am now using which lacks some features.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread
Several people in this long thread are using the 105 straight into an amp and seem to be happy using it that way.
I have the oppo 95 with the same feature. I almost dropped the preamp but after playing back and forth for a while I found the oppo as preamp was a little grainier than the separates. Been happier with the normal mode. the setup on these is pretty nice. There are a number of setups for using it as an SACD player including turning the volume control off(which I assume is setting it at max).
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Who are you quoting? There is no way I'd use the volume control on the Oppo remote as anything other than what Oppo states in their manual (and has stated the same from many models ago):
"The VOL +/- buttons on the player remote control are
provided as an alternative way of controlling the audio
volume. It is recommended that you use this control to make
the audio volume from the player the same as from other
sources, such as TV programs or a VCR."
Hardly a preamp! I'd leave it at max. Don't spend the bucks to get a decent analog stage, flexibility, USB DAC, etc...then send it through that $1.00 volume control. Argh!
Does anyone know how to shut the volume control off on the Oppo BDP95. I use a headphone amp with its own volume control. My two amps have their own controls. How can I shut off the Oppo volume. If you turn the remote all the way down no volume comes out at all. Seem like you need to use both setting the volume of the Oppo somewhere up then use the other controls but in essence your using both controls
Setup menu -> Audio processing -> Output volume -> Fixed
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when one sets the volume to "fixed" do you know if it is set at full/max volume?
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so then what you posted to bypass the Oppo volume was not correct. The question was can I bypass the Oppo;s volume control
What I posted was correct. You asked how to "shut off" the volume control, meaning you didn't want to manually set the volume. I explained the way to do this. Honestly, I don't know if selecting "fixed" bypasses the volume control or sets it to the max "fixed" volume.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
thanks I will give it a try over the weekend to see if I can bypass the volume control. Oppo told me to set it to fixed also today.
thanks will hook up to a monitor and try that appreciate it
Thank you.
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So one could use it as a preamp, although you would not recommend it.
Have you actually compared using the Oppo volume control on the 105 with using a separate preamp volume control? If so, what was the preamp you used?
No, sorry, I should have stated that i do not own a 105. I have had several Oppos, though, including my current 83SE. All of them have had the same volume control (and same comment/caveat in the manual) so I took journalistic liberty to assume the 105 was the same...it is (or Oppo would have made it a huge deal...they market as good as they build). The remote volume is not a high quality pot; you'll lose resolution and clarity. Use a good preamp or a good integrated.
> > The remote volume is not a high quality pot; you'll lose resolution and clarity. Use a good preamp or a good integrated < <
According to Martin Mallinson of ESS, the volume control processes at 32 bits, thus allowing for a LOT of volume control before any reduction in quality is encountered.
It is not clever to spew incorrect info...
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Please don't post that I am spewing false info. No shit the remote is digital (and almost all digital volume controls on these are 32 bit nowadays; doesn't ensure anything). It is still not a great sounding option, and I would highly recommend a separate preamp. I find it noisy, grainy (as poster above stated) and overall unresolving. That is my opinion. It is not false, just not what you wanted to hear. I have tried it; have you? In fact I've tried it on 4 different ESS Sabre based DACs (including the Mytek, which I've posted about quite a bit..and no, those posts are not incorrect facts either, whether dealing with the Mytek's analog remote volume or its digital one). How about you?I'm only being this pedantic cuz you decided to attack me with the unclever and spewing comments. Anyone that knows me would understand i don't throw audio stuff out unwarranted. Thanks for the nice attitude though.
Edits: 01/28/13
The digital volume control in the ESS SABRE chip can sound very good. I think the tradeoff may be system dependent. People will have to listen in their system before reaching a valid conclusion about volume controls.
I run my Mytek directly into my Focal powered speakers and I have tried both the digital and analog volume control option for the Mytek. I prefer the digital, as it is cleaner than the analog volume control. There is no noise out my speakers at any setting of the volume control, even with my ear right up to the drivers. Typical attenuation for symphonic music at concert volumes has a volume setting of -17 dB. For some pure DSD live recordings that are mastered at low levels, the setting might get to -12 dB. Small scale music would be from -20 to -25 dB. This is after reducing the gain of the IV converter by -6 dB by putting in the four jumper resistors. (Note that doing so requires some additional burn in for best sound.)
It is possible that a passive preamplifier could sound better, but I am suspicious, as there will be interaction between the cabling and the input circuits of the amplifiers. I doubt that an active preamp could be as transparent as what I am getting. IMO a longer signal path equals more distortion. In some system environments this might not be the case. I am running balanced into the amplifiers.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Thanks. I think your point was verified by above poster, but I'll still give it a shot. Most of the recordings I use on this system are CDs and video DVDs and most have less than perfect sound.
I'm liking Oppo more and more. Weighing in at less than 18 pounds, according to the spec, is this a new lightweight transport design? Regards.
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