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the later pressings on super jewel cases may not sound as good.
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I really don't mind SACDs being packaged in standard CD jewel boxes (ala BIS) since I always keep a supply of new clear outer cases on hand, which can be purchased very cheaply in bulk. It's a lot easier and cheaper than trying to find replacement super jewel boxes. By the way, the new EMI Signature Collection cases are really classy, although I'm bit afraid of scratching the discs when removing them from the tight-fitting sleeves attached to the inside front and back covers.
I really don't mind SACDs being packaged in standard CD jewel boxes (ala BIS) since I always keep a supply of new clear outer cases on hand, which can be purchased very cheaply in bulk. It's a lot easier and cheaper than trying to find replacement super jewel boxes. By the way, the new EMI Signature Collection cases are really classy, although I'm bit afraid of scratching the discs when removing them from the tight-fitting sleeves attached to the inside front and back covers.
Did you receive and listen to that EMI Signature DuPre Cello Concertos SACD? A couple of the regulars over at sacd-net panned this latest version for several reasons, one being it causes listener fatigue.
Yep, I saw the comments about listener fatigue, etc. I'm not ready to make any final judgements yet, but my impressions of the discs are much more positive. I don't know if the reviewer's Marantz player was part of the problem or not (SA8003), but it's making me reconsider my recent thoughts about maybe switching to a SA-11 S2.
Edits: 04/17/12
I buy them only for the pretty super jewel cases. I typically toss the discs in the trash can. And I should note, I only buy recordings that are pure DSD recordings. I don't want any PCM recordings tainting the super jewel cases.
Guess you don't buy any BIS SACDs.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
and so forth.
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I don't buy BIS SACDs and buy few albums that come with jewel cases or cardboard packages. I buy mostly downloads. In the case of BIS, I buy these in the original format (e.g. 24 bit PCM at 44.1 kHz), thereby avoiding the sonic pollution of DSD noise.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
You may be on the wrong forum then.
Regards,
Geoff
"You may be on the wrong forum then.
One can debate the pros and cons of a technology and the negatives of vendors.
Sony flunked the technology positioning exercise twice, first with Redbook on too low a sample rate (instead of following the lead of the Americans) and then later with DSD where the sampling rate was again set too low.
When a conversion is made between PCM and DSD one gets the limitations of both technologies, e.g. the poor transient response from ringing PCM filters plus the high frequency noise of DSD64 (unless rolled off by filters that strip out all the benefits of DSD transients). That's why the BIS recordings sound better in their original format. They undoubtedly would have sounded better yet if the had originally been recorded with DSD or, at least, higher rate PCM, but some of the BIS recordings are available at 44/24 and these are better than Redbook. Some newer BIS releases are being made at 88/24, but even this sample rate loses in transient response compared with DSD64.
None of these formats are transparent, even assuming perfect converters. There aren't enough bits. One has to get to at least 352/24 or DSD128 to have a shot at this and then the necessary gear is "unobtainium".
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I don't remember the "Americans" who wanted a higher sampling rate. Philips wanted a higher sampling rate, but at a lower bit depth (14-bit). Some of their first players and at least one from AR used 14-bit D-A converters.
I agree that SONY made the same poor decision twice. The combination of pressure from the DVD-A camps inclusion of multichannel and some in the DSD camp wanting multichannel forced the second poor decision. Multichannel is one of the main reasons we got DSD64 (2.8MHz) instead of DSD128 (5.6MHz). If they would have taken a "quality first" stance (ie, the best 2-channel digital that the then current technology could provide), nearly all of the DSD noise -- excuse the pun -- would have been eliminated. I believe Ed Meitner suggested DSD128 before the format specs were finalized.
There is no DSD noise at any listenable level. Vinyl only has 30db and still sounds better than digital formats with apparently much lower noise.
SACD is very efficient in this way, noise is shifted to where you cant hear it. If your talking about whether its a good format for applying lots of digital mixing effects, then that is a different topic.
I prefer analogue mixing as used by channel classics instead of protools.
Daniel.
"sounds better than digital formats"
Can't say that I agree.
Mediocrity often comes out of standards committees. (I've done time on various committees associated with data communications and networking.) Standards committees are worse than the usual committee, what with competing business interests, i.e. lots of oxes to be gored.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
...who can hear THOSE differences.
SACDs, whether from PCM or DSD originals, and DVD-As sound excellent to me and better than CDs.
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Tin-eared audiofool, former fotografer, and terrible competitive-pistol shootist.
"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." Albert Einstein.
to hear what Tony is referencing ... it's a relatively easy exercise in basic audio resolution when demo'd on a v.good system. In fact, the only SACD disks I've heard worth the higher resolution SACD "over-hype" were originally DSD based recordings.
tb1
If any of these higher resolution formats sound better to you then you are definitely a golden-eared audiophile, or perhaps audiophool according to some. Don't you know that it has been "scientifically proven" in refereed publications that these formats are indistinguishable from Redbook CD? :-)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I wish they would have a standardized box. When I go to the used record stores it would be nice to be able to flip through the cases and immediately find the SACDs.
Of course if that were the case, the bargains would be even harder to find.
Chad
And that should actually be, IF they don't come in Super Jewel Boxes.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
That is my last concern. I admired the attempts by the inventors of SACD to shutdown the pirates.
Regards,
Geoff
When I buy music, I want the ability to put it on my computer, in my car, *and* in a disc player. I can do that with CD's. Why shouldn't I be able to do that with (more expensive) SACD's? I'm not a pirate.
This sort of thing is one reason so many people shed so few tears for the recording industry. They have a long history of disrespecting their customers and musicians alike.
The PS3: SONY's self-inflicted Trojan Horse -- DSD with no DRM.
quite ironical, as you said.
Regards,
Geoff
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